Talk:愚妻
Etymology
[edit]https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001021/files/50117_48691.html 英国人某曰く、日本人はその妻を称して愚妻と呼び、その家を指して弊屋と呼ぶという。あに愚ならずや。 政教子曰く、なお英国人がその書翰の終わりに、われは君の奴僕なりといって文を結ぶの愚と同一なり。 Rough rendition in Cantonese: 有個英國人話，日本人以「愚妻」嚟稱呼自己嘅妻子，以「弊屋」嚟指示自己嘅住宅。咁唔係好豬兜咩（豈不愚乎）。 政教孔子辯解，咁咪同洋人書信下款"I am your most obedient and most humble servant"一樣咁戇直咯。 https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1419662924 「愚妻」という言葉は自分の妻に対して失礼な言葉ですか？ 本来は失礼な言葉ではありません。 中国語で「愚」は「わたくし」という意味のいわば一人称代名詞です。 「愚妻」は“愚(わたくし)の妻”という意味です 「愚」は自分の謙称で、自分に関係する家族や事物に冠する。 「愚書」は“わたくしの書翰”です。「愚案」は“わたくしの考え”です。 Explanation for the uninitiated: https://today.line.me/tw/v2/article/YaW6JvL 相對於崖岸自高，顧盼自雄者，其實古人說話總是紆尊降貴，委婉自處，以至於經常謙沖自牧而抑己尊人，以期給對方帶來好感，就連皇帝也都稱呼自己為「寡人」，也就是「寡德之人」，既然「寡德」，就必須時修文德以自惕，常念己過以自省。而「賤內」的賤字指的是丈夫自己，內字指的則是內人，兩個字合起來就是「身為卑賤的我的內人」，因此是一句很謙虛，很有禮貌的說法。 而「拙荊」的意思也是差不多，拙是指笨拙的自己；荊為植物名稱，枝條柔韌，可用來編織籃筐。古代婦女會將荊枝製成髻釵，稱之為「荊釵」，是貧家婦女常用的髮釵。《列女傳》有云：「梁鴻妻孟光，荊釵布裙。」意思是說梁鴻的老婆孟光，以荊枝作釵，拿粗布當裙，生活十分地儉樸刻苦。因此「拙荊」就被用來謙稱笨拙的我的妻子，又可稱為「拙妻」、「拙內」，也是非常有禮貌的說法。
TLDR: the correct sense is "the spouse of my own incompetent self" -- Ywhy (talk) 04:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have already added the correct, orthodox sense. That is not the issue here. —Fish bowl (talk) 05:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Japanese. Rfv-sense:
# [[stupid]] [[wife]]
# to [[deprecate]] one's [[wife]]; to [[humble]] one's wife
Added by @Ikrazydev. —Fish bowl (talk) 03:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
RFV failed. The correct sense has been retained. Theknightwho (talk) 22:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)