Talk:打击

Verb vs. noun

Re: this edit summary:

"What is the matter with you? Why won't you even TRY to format entries properly? Do you think we live for your convenience? You can't possibly NOT know that percussion is a noun!!!)"

My only answer would be, I always edit in good faith and do my best. In this case, after adding entries for many new terms per day, I in this case failed to notice the "Verbs" category. We all catch errors others make, leading to continual improvement--one of the greatest things about Wikipedia. However, the "weak link" must be failing to remain "cool" and kind to others. I assume it was getting late at the time of the edit summary, so no offense taken. Any suggestions for improvement I will always graciously accept, as all editors should. As noted more than once earlier, with so few contributors actively adding Chinese words, this is a multi-year project (taking even up to several dozen years), and mean-spirited comments that tend to drive away editors aren't usually a good thing. In a volunteer-driven organization of any kind, one needs to always be considerate, and if a mistake is made, it should be pointed out, but in a moderate, professional manner. Thanks again for your valuable input here, and I always appreciate your comments, just not in this manner. 24.93.170.200 20:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, and I apologize for coming across like the Simon Cowell of Wiktionary. However, your original for 打击 entry looked like this:

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Mandarin

Noun

打击乐

1. strike

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One outright error:

1. entry is for 打击, but you put 打击乐 on the inflection line!

two serious omissions:

1. no Pinyin Romanization
2. you failed to explain whether this entry is simplified, traditional or both (it is simplified, and should have a parallel entry at 打擊)

one gripe:

1. you used none of the templates recommended in WT:AC.

I then fixed the entry. Later on, you added percussion under the verb section. In other words, I had to fix 打击 twice! I do assume good faith in all contributors. But that doesn't mean I'm incapable of losing my patience when I continually come across shoddy work from a careless contributor. We need quality, MORE THAN quantity. I understand that you want to contribute. You just seem to lack the knowledge and experience in Mandarin (coupled with a lack of attention to detail), and are unwittingly doing more harm than good, in my opinion. If you think an article needs to be edited, but are not confident in how to go about it, consider making a comment on the talk page (as you have been doing). If you want to create a new entry, but don't know how, it is better to post a note at: Wiktionary:Requested articles:Chinese. Doing those two things will still allow you to help out, without introducing a lot of cleanup work for other contributors (namely me).

By posting this long message (instead of adding five or ten new words in the same amount of time), I hope you can see that I am showing good faith. Please return the favor, and follow my suggestions. -- A-cai 23:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Pinyin

Pinyin is often difficult for me to figure out, because I have to rely on Wiktionary, which often has two or more tones and two or more completely different syllables. I don't know why I put the definition on the inflection line, but I don't think I normally do that, so, again, it was some horrible error that doesn't come from anything other than making a mistake. I'm always happy to learn new ways of formatting things, and have taken this advice in each case it was offered to me. 24.93.170.200 02:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Which is why I recommended that you use Wiktionary:Requested articles:Chinese, instead of potentially introducing inaccurate or incomplete information to a Wiktionary entry. For pinyin, you can try to use tools like the ones provided at websites such as http://www.chinese-tools.com/ (Check out the links in the "Converters" section on the right hand side of the page), but you need to be fluent in the language to know whether any resource is correct. You're just as likely to get it wrong as right. Actually, 打击 is a perfect example. Some dictionaries list it as dǎjī, others as dǎjí. Which one is correct? It depends on whether you are from Taiwan or the PRC, as I point out in the entry. I'm not trying to be harsh, but it takes a fluent Mandarin speaker, who is knowledgeable in regional dialects, to sort all of this stuff out. -- A-cai 05:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the "zh-attention" works well, which I faithfully use since I was informed of it. I can't possibly create so many entries that "zh-attention" gets severely backlogged, as most entries just take a little bit of refinement to get them just right. When I really don't know something I do ask for an entry; I've just done that for 㗑. 24.93.170.200 05:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)