Talk:eye-hand coordination

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eye-hand coordination

Was redirected from eye-hand coordination to use an en-dash. Pretty much impossible to search for / differentiate between a hyphen using any Google search. Nadando 05:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Google searches, in their geeky, typewriter way, flatten dashes to hyphens, of course, so you won't turn up any in the lists. Dashes are widely used and accepted in professional publications. The authorities include Garner's Modern American Usage, New Harts, the Oxford Style Manual, the "Shorter Oxford English Dictionary", Chicago MoS, and many more; and of course [1] and [2]. tony 07:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough but these are bad entry titles on Wiktionary, similar to redirects from different kinds of apostrophe. I appreciate this was done in good faith for reasons that might be justifiable elsewhere, but don't rename pages to use en dash. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not experienced here, but at en.WP. Will you be so kind as to explain why? Actually, I'm motivated to ask you for evidence as to why a hyphen should be used, since you have reverted my improvement. tony 16:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is a question of house style. We are trying to make life easier for contributors and users of search engines without requiring more software complications. The house styles of well-edited print publications can easily allow for subtle typographic distinctions. If you would like to change our house style, I would suggest that you take the matter to the Beer Parlor, where we discuss matters affecting multiple entries. DCDuring TALK 12:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That matter, of hyphens versus en dashes in searches, was resolved some time ago at en.WP. There is, apparently, no problem. Can you direct me to the "house style" page? It's not easy to locate. tony 12:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Our style policy is at [[WT:ELE]], but much house style is not embodied therein and is, rather, gleaned from experience. There's a stronger tradition here than on enWP of rules that are not written anywhere but are understood by all regulars.​—msh210℠ 15:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I would add this to WT:STYLE, but I'm really not quite sure what is at issue here. Is this purely an entry title issue? -- Visviva 15:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

• No one has furnished any good reason that the hyphen should be preferred over the en dash, when many authorities condone the en dash, and some of the important ones insist on it. Methinks the personal prejudice of a few users is in evidence. tony 16:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

You're right - but this isn't the place to do it, per above. Several thousand pages would need renaming which I assume would be done by bot - not the sort of thing you do with no prior discussion. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure it's several thousand? I'd have though a few dozen at Wiktionary, very different from the thousands at WP. They do have to be lexical items here, don't they? I believe, in the meantime, that my change to the en dash should not have been reverted. tony 16:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

You mean just any page name with a hyphen in it? Yes thousands and thousands. Note that eye-hand does require a hyphen anyway, not a dash. Anyway, this is off topic and RFV so I'm moving it to the given talk page. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)