Talk:historya
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Mar vin kaiser in topic Origin of the H
Origin of the H[edit]
@TagaSanPedroAko Hey, I'm wondering where you got the idea that the H is kept compared to being silent, to differentiate from an existing word. Thanks. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser From the 2014 Manwal. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 10:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @TagaSanPedroAko: I see, I didn't know that was there. Well, I can tell you now, that that's most likely not true, what they said in the 2014 Manwal. Words like "hipnotismo" and "Hispano" also exist, can be found in the Diksiyonaryo website, which doesn't have a "kahawig na salita". The more reasonable explanation is either intellectuals in the 20th century were influenced by English, or didn't know that those words needed to have a silent "H", but the intention of differentiation for "historya" and "humano" is possible too. For fairness, we can put all these possibilities in the entries. But I'll make a longer reply later to explain to you a more detailed history of the "H"s in Spanish loanwords in Tagalog. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser We do also have older Spanish borrowings that retained the H. e.g. hibla (from hebra), hitsura (from hechura) TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @TagaSanPedroAko: Yes, I know. I'm glad you know about that. Because the early modern Spanish still pronounced some words ending in "H" as a slight "F", so it sounds like an "H". --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser We do also have older Spanish borrowings that retained the H. e.g. hibla (from hebra), hitsura (from hechura) TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @TagaSanPedroAko: I see, I didn't know that was there. Well, I can tell you now, that that's most likely not true, what they said in the 2014 Manwal. Words like "hipnotismo" and "Hispano" also exist, can be found in the Diksiyonaryo website, which doesn't have a "kahawig na salita". The more reasonable explanation is either intellectuals in the 20th century were influenced by English, or didn't know that those words needed to have a silent "H", but the intention of differentiation for "historya" and "humano" is possible too. For fairness, we can put all these possibilities in the entries. But I'll make a longer reply later to explain to you a more detailed history of the "H"s in Spanish loanwords in Tagalog. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)