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Plural past participle of jeûner. Since jeûner means "to fast" it's always intransitive, and these forms should not exist. But maybe they do. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

This includes jeûnées and jeûnée. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Ces jours sont jeûnés, cette journée est jeunée are correct. See at the bottom: the four forms of the past participle (ms, mp, fs, fp) are mentionned. --Actarus (Prince d'Euphor) 13:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
In case you haven't realised, we need three citations of the term(s) in use, or in a well-known work. It certainly isn't in "widespread use" - note that my Petit Larousse doesn't allow it. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
But it is in use. It's best tagged as (transitive, dated) AFAICT. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
In case you haven't realised, I have cited the TLFi, which, among French-language dictionaries, is the Rolls Royce (that means that it's the reference). Now, here's an example with jours jéûnés among others. The feminin singular jeunée gives 5970 hits on Google. I wouldn't declare these formes dated, they are used fairly often in expressions like jours jeûnés, fêtes jeûnées, etc.--Actarus (Prince d'Euphor) 14:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I realised, but it doesn't matter. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
It's so easy to cite I might as well do it now (Citations:jeûner) and use some usage notes. Mglovesfun (talk)
Although I can only cite them as adjectives. Have changed them to adjective forms and closed the RFV. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
In the first attestation in Citations:jeûné, it may be considered as an adjective, but I consider the other ones as past participles (use of the passive form of the verb). Lmaltier 07:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
But we have no transitive sense of jeûner. The best (of a bad lot) of procedures seems to be to add a transitive sense of jeûner then RFV it. FWIW jeûner un jour seems to be a bit like coûter trois euros - it's a complement, not a direct object. Un jour (one day) is really adverbial, not a direct object. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)