Talk:plaigne

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RFV discussion: September 2019–January 2023[edit]

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Old French plaigne and descendants

This is claimed to mean "plain" (flat expanse of land), which is misspelled "plane" in the entry. It appears the correct word is either plain or plaine. This is *maybe* an Anglo-Norman word; http://www.anglo-norman.net/gate/ has "plaingne" in this meaning among many other variants, which is similar to "plaigne". The form "plaigne" is also given in this dictionary as the first feminine form of "plein" "full". The English descendants "plain" and "plane" are claimed for this word, which doesn't agree with the etymologies listed for those words. BTW how would the gn sneak into this word? Maybe a non-attested VL *plānea? But then how does the feminine of "plein" end up as "plaigne"? @Fay Freak, Lambiam, any ideas? Benwing2 (talk) 08:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The term occurs in the Vulgate Lancelot, in some mss. twice (see the footnote on p.329). I have no theory on the origin of the intrusive g, but note that Romansch plagn shows that nasalization of [n] can apparently also take place without high vowel following the n.  --Lambiam 16:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've added Lambiam's citation to the entry and changed the gloss to an altform. I'm not an Old French buff so feel free to double-check my translation of the line. If no one dissents we can call this cited. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RFV-passed. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]