Talk:skaddon

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RFV discussion: January–February 2023[edit]

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Apparently only used by John Worlidge, and that was in italics... Flackofnubs (talk) 13:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a comment on the term in general but being italicised in a 17th-century text doesn't mean much for our purposes. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 13:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The public domain OED 1st edition has three citations under schadon (skaddon is listed as a variant spelling) that we can crib, none of which are Worlidge. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 14:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here is another, a 1904 letter to the editor by "D. M. M.". If we naively combine Bailey (from OED), Worlidge, and this, that makes three in this spelling.
However, there is an issue with independence. The 1726 edition of Dictionarium Rusticum, the one on Google Books and IA, is also attributed to Worlidge, not just Bailey. Same with the 1704 edition on IA. It seems to have been published anonymously. The 1736 book Dictionarium Domesticum: Being a New and Compleat Household Dictionary, hence the abbreviation Househ. Dict. in OED, may have been published under Bailey's name, although I can't find a scan to confirm. The Worlidge work Systema agriculturæ may have been published anonymously, or at least I couldn't find his name on the title page on Google Books. The passage that uses the word "skaddons" in all of these works is pretty similar, though not identical. 70.172.194.25 19:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The title page, frontispiece, and dedicatory epistle on the Systema Agriculturae are all initialled "J. W." or "J. W. Gent.", which was apparently his usual sign-off. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I overlooked that. So what do we think? Are these quotations independent?
OED doesn't give the full context for the quotation, and I couldn't find any scan, but I would bet that earlier in the sentence it talks about September, just like the other two quotations, i.e. that this is basically one passage that evolved over time. The fact that OED capitalizes "The" and puts a period at the end probably doesn't mean anything; I think that's just their style, and doesn't necessarily reflect the original text. 70.172.194.25 21:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On Google Books schadon seems a good deal easier to attest and should probably be the main entry, especially if it's derived from Ancient Greek σχαδών (skhadṓn) as seems likely. The skaddon spelling might be a Worlidge-ism. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 21:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, having sorted through it and EEBO myself I can't find convincing uses beyond the two others listed in the OED (so Feminine Monarchie, Theatre of Political Flying Insects, and Worlidge). Given that it's a 17th-century dialectal term we need might to consolidate the two forms since we're not going to find 6 citations. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 02:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's also the 1904 quote above, so there are at least two quotes for each form. But I'm not sure CFI explicitly has verbiage to allow consolidating quotations for different spellings as attestation. Oh, I just realized the 1904 quote is just the Feminine Monarchie quote. 70.172.194.25 04:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are four citations in the OED so I'll call this  cited. Ioaxxere (talk) 23:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFV Passed. Ioaxxere (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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