Template talk:be-decl-adj

@Atitarev I'm working on a module for Belarusian adjectives. A few questions: (1) are there short forms of adjectives; (2) are there possessive adjectives ending in -ов/-ін or equivalent; (3) are there special declensions for surnames? Benwing2 (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Hi.

(1) There seem to short adjectives. We'll need t search cases by case, e.g. прыго́жы (pryhóžy): прыго́ж (pryhóž) (m), прыго́жа (pryhóža) (f/n), прыго́жы (pryhóžy) (pl)

Belarusian doesn't have an equivalent of the Ukrainian "io" alternations but it features extreme akanye and yakanye (yakanye also happens in some Russian dialects).

You're familiar with akanye (unstressed "о" becomes "а") but a short note on yakanye is required. It's "е" replaced with "я" in pre-tonal positions only but р, ш, ж, ч are always hard in Belarusian and the original "е" becomes "э" and "я" becomes "а". Cf. noun рака́ (raká, “river”) (*rěka) -> рэ́кі (plural), рэ́чка (diminutive). A short adjective example: чэ́сны (čésny, “honest”) - чэ́сцен (m), часна́ (f), часно́ (n), часны́ (pl). Short adjectives are not so common but more common than in Ukrainian and closer to Russian, not Ukrainian. Like Russian, it's all genders, not just masculine.

(2) Yes, e.g. ма́мчын сыно́к - mama's boy

(3) Yes, plenty of adjectival surnames in -скі, -цкі, -ны.

(Belarusian is less documented, so we'll have to Google. http://www.slounik.org/ source dictionaries are possibly not digitised.) --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev Do you know if Belarusian has moving-stress short adjectives like in Russian (e.g. type c, where only the feminine is end-stressed) or are they only either consistently stem-stressed or ending-stressed? BTW akanye seems not that different from Russian, it's just that Belarusian writes it but Russian doesn't. Actually, what I wonder about is why Belarusian doesn't write final consonant devoicing, since it seems to write out all the other surface phonetic changes. Benwing2 (talk) 23:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, is Slounik the only source for Belarusian? There's a grammar floating around on the Internet but it would be very helpful to have declension tables like we have for Ukrainian. Benwing2 (talk) 23:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2:: The example with чэ́сны is "c", isn't it?

Do you mean this one - http://www.pravapis.org/fundamental_belarusian.pdf? You can use that. I found they sometimes mix Taraškievica with the modern orthography but that's OK, it happens all the time. If you know the difference in orthographies, you'll be able to tell. There's no dictionary I know of to copy declensions from (I mean with stresses). slounik.org is my usual source for declensions. I only found a few words, which I couldn't find declensions for, e.g. пёс or they give only singular form, even if plurals also exist. slounik.org underlines stresses in declensions, so you can see them but you can't copy. You have to understand their Cyrillic conventions too - for example, "НВ" means nominative and accusative, "ДМ" - means dative and locative, etc.

No, consonant devoicing is not reflected in the spelling but it has it and it's very similar, if not the same as in Russian but not Ukrainian (Ukrainian is an odd one, it mostly lacks consonant devoicing, unlike all other Slavic languages). Otherwise, the Belarusian spelling is very phonetic as far as vowels are concerned. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:57, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev The example with чесны is type b, but with an irregular nominative. Benwing2 (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Yes, sorry. чэ́сны might also be a short form of plural (= lemma form). The examples of short forms are inconsistent and perhaps you could leave them for last or leave out altogether if we don't find any good reference. For example, I find both fem forms "малада́" "мо́лада" for малады́ (maladý). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)