Template talk:hy-decl-noun

User:Vahagn Petrosyan, what do you think of this? I also think about linking the cases to their respective Armenian entries for further explanation.

(Eastern Armenian)

	singular	plural
nominative, accusative	{{{1}}}	{{{5}}}
genitive, dative, animate accusative	{{{9}}}	{{{13}}}
ablative	{{{17}}}	{{{19}}}
instrumental	{{{21}}}	{{{23}}}
locative	{{{25}}}	{{{27}}}
	definite forms
nominative, accusative	{{{3}}}	{{{7}}}
dative, animate accusative	{{{11}}}	{{{15}}}
	1st person possessive forms (my)
nominative...	{{{1s}}}	{{{3s}}}
genitive...	{{{5s}}}	{{{7s}}}
ablative	{{{9s}}}	{{{11s}}}
instrumental	{{{13s}}}	{{{15s}}}
locative	{{{17s}}}	{{{19s}}}
	2nd person possessive forms (your)
nominative...	{{{21s}}}	{{{23s}}}
genitive...	{{{25s}}}	{{{27s}}}
ablative	{{{29s}}}	{{{31s}}}
instrumental	{{{33s}}}	{{{35s}}}
locative	{{{37s}}}	{{{39s}}}

GareginRA (talk) 01:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

No. We already discussed this. Wiktionary is not a grammar book. Vahag (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, then why to put a declension table in the first place? At least make it accurate, right? Or do you have some objections on the generally accepted rules? GareginRA (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

It is accurate. You are relying on outdated sources. Vahag (talk) 07:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Read this, from page 63. Vahag (talk) 08:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

In what world is a theory from 1908 less outdated than any contemporary schoolbook on Armenian? Case systems can use same forms in different cases, that is normal. GareginRA (talk) 19:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Here are some contemporary works using five cases:

• Kozintseva, Modern Eastern Armenian, 1995, page 8.
• Dum-Tragut, Modern Eastern Armenian, 2009, page 80.

The debate between seven or five cases still continues but it should not interest a dictionary. I have chosen to show only morphological cases on Wiktionary, which is what a dictionary should do. You want to fit a case role information in the declension table, which belongs in a grammar book, not a dictionary. --Vahag (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

No, that's not what I want. I only wanted to provide links and sufficient usage notes (not in the table or entries, but on the entries describing those cases, e.g. հայցական հոլով), but that is a different issue. Those 5 cases (in my opinion) are not actually cases, but only usable forms. If you want to satisfy the user with that, then there's no need for those fancy linguistic words, or maybe you should make your own terms for each of them. But OK, let's assume it is a competing system (I don't really see why it should/can be omitted, it is just a different interpretation of grammatical rules, in my opinion). It is not taught in Armenian schools. In fact, I don't think that it's taught anywhere. We have to wait until it gets a recognition of the level of the traditional system to reference solely to it. And even then, in my opinion, it would be correct to employ the traditional table as a minority-accepted one. GareginRA (talk) 00:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)