User:Eiliv

Saud, m. (Fl. Sauder), et Faar. Egent- lig et Dyr af Faareslægten, uden Hensyn til Kjøn; imidlertid er det kun i Fleertal at denne Betydning er herskende, medens derimod „ein Saud” sædvanlig bruges om Hundyret alene (ligesom Søyda), uagtet Ordet har Hankjøns Form. Mest alm. Sau; ellers Saud, Nfj. Sdm., Saug, Solør, Toten (Vardal), So (o’), el. Saa, Østerd. G.N. saudr; Sv. Dial. såd, sau. sö (s. Rietz 568). Uegentlig bruges Saud ogsaa om et meget godmodigt og føieligt Menneske, tildeels med Begreb af Eenfol- dighed eller Sløvhed. (Jf. Godsaud). I Sammensætning deels Saud (Sau), deels Saude (Saue, Saua); sjeldnere Sauds. Saaledes: Saudbukk, m. en Væder. (Kun paa Østl.). Saudfjos (oo), n. Faare- stald. Saudgarde (Saugare), m. Rum for Faar i et Huus. (Paa Østl. Saud- binge, m.). Saudhage, m. Græsgang for Faar. Saudekjøt, n. Faarekjød. Saudekvi, f. Faarefold. Saudelag, n. Faarenatur; Eenfoldighed, Sløvhed ⁊c. Saudelit (i’), m. Uldens naturlige Farve. Saudmjølk, f. Faaremælk. Saudskap, n. Faareskikkelse. Saudskinn, n. Faare- skind. Saudskjæra, f. Uldsax. Saud- slag, n. Faarerace. Saudsykja, f. Faare- sygdom; Skab ⁊c. Saudtalle, m. Faaremøg. - Ivar A. Aasen, Norsk Ordbog (1873) Wiktionary:Babel nn Denne brukaren har norsk som morsmål og skriv nynorsk. no Denne skribenten har norsk som morsmål. nb Denne brukeren har norsk som morsmål og skriver bokmål. fo-2 Hesin brúkarin dugir føroyskt hampuliga væl. non-1 Sjá njótr ritar norrœnt með veikri kunnandi. Search user languages or scripts Scripts A Latn This user's native script is the Latin alphabet. ᚠ Runr-3 This user has an advanced understanding of the Runic alphabet. Search user languages or scripts

Hello. I’m Eiliv m (pronounced /²æɪ̯liːv/, [ˈæ̌ɪ̯ːˌlîˑʋ], Old Norse Eilífr, Æilīfʀ, Proto-Norse *Ainalībaʀ, *Aiwalībaʀ) and I mostly contribute on the Nynorsk (‘Modern/New Norwegian’) entries, as well as Norwegian dialects and etymology. I usually make minor edits to the etymology overviews, to make them more precise and not skipping any steps. They tend to be quite simplified, saying nb. bløt comes from non. blautr, when it’s really from da. blød, from oda. bløthær, where it’s of the same Proto-Norse origin as the Old Norse word.

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• My user page on Wikipedia: User:Eiliv (English), Brukar:Eiliv (Norwegian).

New Norwegian in runes

ᛁ ᛌᛆᛘᛆᚿᚼᛂᚿᚵ ᛘᛂᚧ ᛂᛁ ᚢᛘᛌᛦᚿ ᛁ ᛑᛂᚿ ᛚᛁᚡᛆᚿᛑᛂ ᛌᚴᛆᛕᚿᛁᚿᚵᛂᚿ ᛕᛆ ᛁᚮᚱᚧᛁ ᚴᚮᛘᛆ ᛘᛂ ᛌᛁᚧᛌᛐᛕᛆ ᛐᛁᛚ ᛆ ᚼᚢᚵᛌᛆ ᛕᛆ ᚢᛆᚱ ᛂᛁᚵᛁ ᛅᛐ[ᛐ]: ᛕᛆ ᛘᛆᚿ[ᚿ]ᛂᚿ ᛂᛚᛑᛂᚱ ᛘᛂᚿ[ᚿ]ᛂᛌᚴᛁᛆ. (ᛂᛐ[ᛐ]ᛂᚱ ᚵᛆᛘᛆᛚᛐ ᛒᚱᚢᚴ ᛐᛆᚴᛆ ᛘᛂ ᛌᛐᚢᚿᛑᚮᛘ ᛒᛆᚧᛂ ᛑᛂᛌ[ᛌ]ᛂ ᚮᚱᚧᛁ ᛁ ᛌᛆᛘᛂ ᛐᛦᚧᛁᚿᚵ). ᛁ ᛚᛁᚴᛆᛘᛌ ᛌᚴᛆᛕᚿᛆᚧ ᛂᚱ ᛘᛆᚿ[ᚿ]ᛂᚿ ᛁᚿ[ᚿ]ᚱᛂᛁᛑ[ᛑ] ᛌᚮᛘ ᛂᛁᛐ ᛑᛦᚱ; ᚮᚵ ᛑᛁᚠᛦᚱᛂ ᛂᚱ ᛑᛂᚧ ᚮᚵᛌᚮ ᛦᛘᛌᛂ ᚴᚢᚿ[ᚿ]ᛌᚴᛆᛕᛌᛘᛂᚿ[ᚿ]ᛂᚱ, ᛌᚮᛘ ᚱᛂᚴᚿᛆ ᚼᚮᚿᚮᛘ ᛌᛆᛘᛆᚿ ᛘᛂᛑ ᛌᛕᛂᚿᛑᛦᚱᚮᛘ ᚮᚵ ᛌᛂᛐᛁᛆ ᚼᚮᚿᚮᛘ ᚿᛅᛌᛐ ᚢᛂᚧ ᛆᛕᚮᚱᚿᛆ, ᛆᚡ ᛑᛁ ᛆᛐ ᛑᛂᚧ ᛂᚱ ᛑᛂᚧ ᛌᛚᛆᚵᛂᚧ, ᛌᚮᛘ ᛌᚢᛁᛕᛆᚱ ᛘᛂᛌᛐ ᛕᛆ ᛘᛆᚿ[ᚿ]ᛌᚴᛆᛕᚿᛆᚧᛂᚿ.

i samanheng með ei umsyn i den livande skapningen pa iorði koma me siðstpa til a hugsa pa uar eigi æt[t]: pa man[n]en elder men[n]eskia. (et[t]er gamalt bruk taka me stundom baðe des[s]e orði i same tyðing). i likams skapnað er man[n]en in[n]reid[d] som eit dyr; og difyre er deð ogso ymse kun[n]skapsmen[n]er, som rekna honom saman med spendyrom og setia honom næst ueð aporna, av di at deð er deð slageð, som suipar mest pa man[n]skapnaðen.

I Samanheng med ei Umsyn i den livande Skapningen paa Jordi koma me sidstpaa til aa hugsa paa vaar eigi Ætt: paa Mannen elder Menneskja. (Etter gamalt Bruk taka me stundom baade desse Ordi i same Tyding). I Likams Skapnad er Mannen innreidd som eit Dyr; og difyre er det ogso ymse Kunnskapsmenner, som rekna honom saman med Spendyrom og setja honom næst ved Aporna, av di at det er det Slaget, som svipar mest paa Mannskapnaden.

— Ivar Aasen, Heimsyn (1875)

Currently working on

I’m currently working on cleaning up the Nynorsk entries, as it vary a lot which form or style is picked as main variety. In verbs, for instance, you may find one ending in -ja, but pointing to a form with -e and no j, while another entry may have -e and point to -ja. Then some entries with -e point to -je and vice versa. I’d like it to be more consistent, with the traditional and common -ja forms treated as the main one. I suspect that a lot of the more Bokmål like forms stem from before the split, when it was all just “Norwegian”.

There seems to have been a lot of misconceptions about the various forms in Nynorsk. As there is an official standard for use in education and government, the forms that are not included are sometimes marked as “defunct”, “obsolete” or “archaic”. This is quite misleading and a good dictionary should ideally document all words in the language equally, possibly with a note about the standard used in education and government. It should not, however, treat them as anything less than the included forms, or as if they’ve gone out of use.

General ideas and issues

Currently, there are three Norwegian languages on Wiktionary, Norwegian, Norwegian Nynorsk, and Norwegian Bokmål. The first one is not to be used, and the only entries left are names which are not language-specific. The second one is used for Nynorsk, and Norwegian dialectal forms, overall Norwegian that does not descend from Danish and the Norwegian-Danish written (and spoken) tradition. The last one is for Bokmål, which is the Danish-derived written language that through time has gotten various words and forms either directly from the spoken languages, or Nynorsk. It is, however, still a variant of Danish, albeit with a large amount of Norwegian additions.

I think it would be appropriate to gather Nynorsk and Norwegian dialects under Norwegian, as there isn’t a clear border between these two. Nynorsk is the Norwegian language in its normalised written form. Compare for instance the Danish language used on the Faroe Islands which is called Gøtudansk, while the Faroese language itself, with both dialects and normalised written language, is Faroese (not *Nýføroyskt).

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