User talk:ハポニアラ

December 2020

Hello, ハポニアラ. I undid your recent change to ガシャポン using the 'undo' function. There were two reasons I did this: As stated at Wiktionary:Quotations, in general there should not be internal links within quoted text. The original did not contain links to Wiktionary, after all. In addition, it seems like you were trying to do something with formatting that wound up creating a bunch of non-existent 'red links'. On the other hand, me using the 'undo' function may well have removed useful additions, too. If that is the case, I apologize, and would ask you to edit the entry again. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 04:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC) Hello, Cnilep. Thank you for your comment. I'll get right to the point. I watched that in general, internal links should not be placed in quotes, but what do you think "in general" means? However, since Japanese is an agglutinative language and not a language that doesn't have word dividers, a reader can mistake morphemes and word breaks. For this reason, I have placed internal links. Also, why did you choose to simply undo my edition when it is clear that the quote is not faithful to the source, such as inserting hyphens even in the version before I edited it? Happy editing too, --ハポニアラ (talk) 05:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't understand what the abuse of notation (e.g. nesting ja-r|linkto= within other templates) was meant to accomplish, so I was not able to correct the problems. To 'simply undo' was the most expeditious way to remove the broken bits. Cnilep (talk) 04:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

Hello, ハポニアラ. Thank you for your help on 儺. I was not confident translating the old-fashioned 歳時記, and was happy to see your changes.

On 飲み助, however, I disagree with your reading. The quotation comes at the end of a passage describing drunken revelries, and it seems clear to me that the "飲み助の相棒" is a drinking partner – someone for the protagonist to get drunk with – and not another drunkard's partner, as your version suggests to me. Also, it seems likely that "親爺" is being used as a generic term for "old man", rather than an actual uncle. Such fictive kin terms (親父、奥さん、お姉さん) are fairly common in this sort of discourse. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cnilep. Thank you for your post here. But I'm sorry, On 飲み助, I have to contradict you. I have read the entire novel from which the quote is taken in Aozora Bunko, and the main character as your claim does not appear until at least the quoted part, and up to that point, I think the author are describing the novel's setting, Gojōme, and the market that takes place there. As evidence, I would like to present the full text of the paragraph with the quoted text in the original from Aozora Bunko and English translation.

市の日は、飲み屋の書き入れ時で、うす汚れの暖簾をぴらぴらさせた屋台がいくつも並ぶ。まだ荷もあけないうちから、濁酒(どぶろく)をひっかけに行っている若い衆もある。酔った揚句の張り高声をあげて、荷も忘れて、あちこち浮かれ歩いたりしている。このような飲み助の相棒は、あぶらやの仙太親爺ときまっている。

The market day is the best time for bars, and there are many stalls lined up with their dirty curtains fluttering. Some of the young people go to the stalls to drink doburoku before they have even opened their bags. Some of the young people were so drunk that they were shouting in a high-pitched voice, forgetting their loads and walking around in a merry mood. The partner of such drinkers is always Senta of Aburaya, an old man.

As you can see here, the two sentences before the quote describe drunken and rowdy youths. I think it's very likely that "このような飲み助" (such drinkers) in "このような飲み助の相棒" (the partner of such drinkers' partner) refers to them.

I am a native speaker of Japanese, so I interpreted "親爺" (oyaji) as "おじさん" (ojisan) which is almost synonymous with a fictive kin term in Japanese, and translated it into English. I thought it would be understood in English as well since we have the word Uncle Sam, but I would like to change it if it is not understood or if it causes confusion. ハポニアラ (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC)