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Salar

q in Tenishev is [q] in IPA and we show it with the letter g. q' or 'q in Tenishev is [qʰ] in IPA, it can be also χ, and we show it with the letter q. For example; instead of spelling /qarın/ as qarın, spell it as garın. (same process for k/g) BurakD53 (talk) 13:46, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you did it mistaken, qarın, is already q'arın in Tenishev. Really sorry for my disturbance. BurakD53 (talk) 13:54, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Related languages ​​become cognate, unrelated languages ​​become compare. For example; "Hungarian alma compare to Turkish elma, Kazakh alma cognate with Turkish elma". Since Southern Altai is a Turkic language, it is related to Turkish. They have common ancestor, so you can use cognate instead of compare. BurakD53 (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Create ref. temp. for your Western Altai references

That's easier and more trustworthy than writing them on summary. Thus, people can trust wiktionary since it will be referenced. BurakD53 (talk) 21:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure that Altai in Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-āčak is not Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-čak? If you're not sure about it, see the word болашақ in Kazakh. Find this word. BurakD53 (talk) 22:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Or Kyrgyz келечек (kelecek). BurakD53 (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

In Baskakov's dictionary 242 pages, Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-čak is noun suffix, derived to -чак, -чек, -чок,чöк, cf. бӧрӱ-чек, кыс-чак in Southern Altai .

and In Chumakaev dictionary 50 pages, Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-čak is noun suffix, derived to -(Ы)чАк (=чак, =чек, =чок, =ычак, =ичек), cf Суу-чак,уул-чак in Southern Altai. бӧрӱ,кыс,уул,Суу are nouns.

In Chumakaev's grammar dictionary 112 pages, Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-āčak is verb suffix/affix, and can be activated in adjective or nouns ( Turkish :yakacak <yak-). Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/-āčak derived to -чак/-чек in Southern Altai (cf макта-н=чак, jескин=чак,коркы=нчак .

It's not using in Literary Altai, but It finds in colloquial speech of Southern Altai.

Thus , Recently, a/e was desappeared in Southern Altai, чак/чак is used and survived only adjective by speakers of Southern Altai. 118.216.30.67 06:27, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

So it can be said that in Southern Altai, -чак arose as a kind of "simplification"? If so, then it doesn't make sense for Proto-Turkic to write -āčak instead of -ačak. If it were -āčak, perhaps in Southern Altai it would be *-aчак (similarly with Turkmen *-ajak). I suggest that in Proto-Turkic the future participle was *-ačak and not -āčak

(sorry 4 my english) Xenos melophilos (talk) 14:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

It seems more logical to me that the original form was *-ačak, also because the other Turkic languages (for example in the word "future") seem to be like that. Xenos melophilos (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Please, consider also the case of turkmen -jak. Why isn't **ajak (or **-ejek due 4 vowel harmony) Xenos melophilos (talk) 14:13, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank You!

Thank you for adding Southern Altaian verbs/nouns that I've forgot. It is really helpful for this language. Also I have some questions to you:

• Have you ever thought to create an account? Imo, it would be really necessary and awesome.

• As @BurakD53 said; you should create reference templates for Southern Altai, of course if you want.

• Are you an ethnic Altaian?

Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not Southern Altaian ethnic. But, I interest about many turkic languages-Southern Altai, Gagauz, Salar, Nogai, Dolgan, Yakut(Sakha), Kyrgyz, Tuvan, Northern Altai, Karakalpak, Uyghur, Shor, Western Yugur, Turkmen, Tofa, Tatar, Bashkir, Karaim, Crimean Tatar, Krymchak, Fuyu-Kyrgyz, Soyot, Khakas, Kumyk, Karacha-Balkar, Chagatai, Chulym.

And I refer words in dictionaries, grammatical dictionaries of these languages.

,I refered dictionary of Southern Altai (Literary Altai and Teleut).

• Southern Altai

Literary Altai dictionaries- Chumakav, Baskakov, 1869 grammatical dictionary of Altai (exclude Tuba(Black Tatar), Kondoma(Shor))

Other Literary Altai words based on Tepukov's dictionary.

In the Verbitskiy dictionary, Teleut words are Southern Altai words. (Exclude Northern Altai (Tuba,Chelkan,Kumandy), Khakas).

And other Teleut dictionary based on Syrkasheva's Teleut-Russian dictionary (1995).

• Northern Altai

Northern Altai words are existing in Kumandy, Chelkan dialect of Baskakov.

In 1869 grammatical dictionary, Northern Altai words are Black Tatar(Ч.Тат), Shor(Конд) words.

In Räsänen Dictionary, Southern Altai words are oyr,tel(Literary Oyrot/Altai), Northern Altai words are kmd, leb, tub(Kumandy, Chelkan, Tuba).

In Verbitskiy dictionary, Southern Altai words are teleut (т), and Northern Altai words are н.б, н.к, в.к, в.б(Kumandy, Chelkan, Tuba).

Thus, Understand that I used many dictionaries of Southern Altai. 118.216.30.67 10:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Salar spelling

We use TB30 alphabet that contains 30 letters, not includes ā, ɣ, ï, š letters. BurakD53 (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

move this Salar siŋ entry to siñ page and add the page number you have referred from Tenishev's work and also add the etymology reference you mentioned in summary instead of writing it on summary. Do not forget adding * (stars) before the reference templates.

I'm tired of doing it, you do a little BurakD53 (talk) 02:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

About your last edit on reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/kar-

What's the meaning of карыжар? There are two words, one has primary long vowel. Turkish karışmak is from *kār-, Turkish karşı is from *kar-. BurakD53 (talk) 19:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

It means that карыжар (from карыш-) is to evade in ЭСТЯ. Also, In its dictionary (Этимологический словарь тюркских языков- Fifth ), Author explains that *karïš- is developed to different type such as *karïš-, *karšï-, *karšï or *karšu. ,and *karïš- is from *kār-.

In verb types, *карыш- is in Southern Altai (Teleut), Kyrgyz , *кериш- is in Uyghur, *карыс- is in Kazakh, *харыс is in Yakut in ЭСТЯ - fifth - 326, 327 pages. 118.216.30.67 02:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)