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Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month. Let me know if you'd prefer a secret alert by e-mail next time.

Equinox 00:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


Hello. Sorry if that feels a bit pushy, but would you be willing to nominate me for adminship? As I've said here, I'd like to take up the mop. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a self-nomination, however. --Barytonesis (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Confirmation of CheckUser status[edit]

Hello TheDaveRoss, as Chuck Entz has been successfully nominated as a CheckUser, can you confirm your wish to continue your task of CheckUser too (to be sure you want your CU rights restored). Best regards, Linedwell (talk) 11:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Linedwell I do, and I have been talking with RadiX about getting all of the ducks in a row. - TheDaveRoss 12:56, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

EWDC #2[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 19:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

EWDC #3[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 04:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


Hello sir. I remember you saying somewhere that a Wiki is poorly suited to a dictionary project, but that, unless we want to throw away everything we've done and start from scratch, the conversion to a proper database would have to be incremental. Could you expand?


--2A02:2788:A4:F44:A99F:AFD6:2D3D:98C4 17:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I can expand on any of those points. I think a wiki is poorly suited for a dictionary because it has a very "flat" file format, and linguistic data is largely relational. The wiki format lends itself best to long-form information, such as Wikipedia. Having a reasonably strong relational database available would make many types of linguistic data much easier to store, process and present.
The start from scratch comment mostly concerns the current data structure, both locally and across all Wiktionary projects. Some data is in reasonably standard format, and could be processed into relational data easily. The vast majority of existing data is not and would need some form of human oversight to be accurately mapped into a database. This could be done incrementally, starting with virtually any type of relationship and moving through one at a time. I would imagine that it would be easiest to start with definitions and go from there.
Not sure that that was expansive enough, but if you would like specifics feel free to ask. - TheDaveRoss 13:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Template editor[edit]

This anon has been engaged in a large number of template edits. I am rather template-oblivious so have no clue if these are positive edits, or ones which are breaking dozens/hundreds of entries. - Amgine/ t·e 16:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Amgine, Stardsen, Echtio The edits seem reasonable, assuming that the information is correct. Without any knowledge of Picard I am unable to say. Pinging some Picard editors, but anyone who knows French would be starting from a better place than I am. - TheDaveRoss 13:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I can understand "picard" quite well. The edits seem OK. Good work. --Echtio (talk) 00:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC) See for example --Echtio (talk) 02:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for taking a look, Echtio. - TheDaveRoss 13:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

DaveBot NORMs run 10/07[edit]

Did you use /\-{4}\n/ to capture the hr? cuz…, just sayin'. - Amgine/ t·e 01:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Something like that, but I have since updated it to a more robust regex. - TheDaveRoss 13:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


Hi TheDaveRoss, can you please check the Votator definition on other online dictionaries? Other online dictionaries have the definition as I amended prior to you reverting it back. Please advise. Skim1024 (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Skim1024 Onelook doesn't have any other dictionaries listed. Per the various discussions around this term we have concluded that the term has been genericized, so the trademark aspect belongs in the etymology not the definition. - TheDaveRoss 15:05, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Per online dictionaries and and (tagged as a trademark) the definition of Votator is listed as a trademark/brand. I understand that per various discussions it was concluded as a term that was genericized, however, there are other online dictionary outlets that are showing it in the correct form. The word Votator has trademark registration certificates all around the world. Please reconsider. Skim1024 (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Skim1024 Those sites are just presenting Wiktionary definitions, and have not pulled a more recent version. - TheDaveRoss 18:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

We should be able to at least mention the truth of the matter that the word VOTATOR is a registered trademark in the US and various other countries regardless of whether you believe it is a generic term. Please amend the definition as follows - a registered trademark for a brand of machine that cools and kneads liquid margarine etc., preparatory to packaging. This is not a misleading or false statement. If you require registration certificates, I am happy to supply them. If the definition of a word such as Xerox is labeled as a trademark (, the definition of Votator should follow the same form. Skim1024 (talk) 20:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

xerox. - TheDaveRoss 21:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

EWDC #4[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 23:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I would like to lodge a complaint, SemperBlotto added some of my words. These retirees are taking jobs away from we deserving <whatever my generation is called>. - TheDaveRoss 16:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
SemperBlotto is a bad man and I know where he lives. Arses may be kicked. Equinox 19:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

EWDC #5[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 00:23, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

EWDC #6[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 21:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Anonymous and Open Proxies[edit]

Gfarnab uses a lot of anonymous proxies, so I need to be clear on how we deal with these. I know open proxies aren't allowed, since there's no way anyone can ever know who's using them. Are anonymous proxies treated the same, or do we treat them like normal IPs because of their use to evade state internet censorship? Chuck Entz (talk) 20:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz. Personally I have mostly been deferring to the global blockers to place long-term blocks on proxies when applicable, and treating every block here as if it were a non-proxy. If I happen upon an IP that seems to have a pattern of abuse much longer than a typical block I will mention it to the global blockers. I don't think that policy is really established here, so you can feel free to place longer blocks on proxies as you see fit. I think Tor exit nodes and other proxies likely to be used for good purposes should have logged-in users exempted, but again I don't think that is a policy. - TheDaveRoss 11:45, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
So you were wrong whilst writing I was going to eventually get tired... It'd be better for your policing "grand scheme" not to lose at every new thing you try and to know that infinite proxies minus one proxy equals infinite proxies. Have fun pushing buttons unfruitfully!
I am not sure what I was wrong about, but I would contend that your activity here is the definition of unfruitful. I feel just fine about the results of my efforts. - TheDaveRoss 12:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, I was referring to Chuck: you, Dave, never wrote I was "going to eventually get tired" and I think the work you do here is fruitful. G'night!


Do you know if there was a discussion regarding linking this template to en.WP language articles rather than en.WT articles? I was surprised the link to w:French language appeared to be a link to French, and I do not like that kind of surprise so I went looking to see why. Unsuccessfully. - Amgine/ t·e 17:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Amgine I don't recall, but I wouldn't necessarily. It probably happened at some point after it went down the obfuscation hole that is our module system. - TheDaveRoss 19:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
<big over-dramatic sigh> - Amgine/ t·e 19:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello. Did you do that on purpose? --Per utramque cavernam 19:13, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Nope, sorry about that! - TheDaveRoss 19:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
No worries. Per utramque cavernam 19:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

US surname stats template[edit]

Hey, do think it would be useful to make a template for surname statistics? I'm interested in surnames as well, and it would save a lot of typing/copying and pasting. I have a draft but I don't know how to make a 3+ item list for the ethnicities, or if there's a way to get the ordinal suffix things – Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 14:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

According to the 2010 United States Census, {{PAGENAME}} is the {{{1|}}}{{sup|{{{2|}}}}} most common surname in the United States{{#if: {{{3|}}} |, belonging to {{{3}}} individuals}}.{{#if: {{{4|}}} | {{PAGENAME}} is most common among {{{4}}} {{#if: {{{5|}}} |({{{5}}}%)}} {{#if: {{{6|}}} |and {{{6}}} {{#if: {{{7|}}} |({{{7}}}%)}}}}individuals.}} 
@Julia: I use script when adding these, so there is no additional typing for me on entry. If others want to add such information (for other countries, e.g.) I think a template might be of use. It is possible to get the ordinal suffix (using a module) and to do multiple-case conditional statements (using nested conditionals). - TheDaveRoss 16:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2018/May#Possible IP range blocks required[edit]

I have not used abuse filters recently, but istr there's a method of range-blocking edits there. - Amgine/ t·e 22:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you can check if an IP edit is from a range, however there are lots of good IP editors within the ranges being abused. - TheDaveRoss 22:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
…and adding each IP used by this particular individual to a filter might defeat the usefulness (not to mention being a maintenance nightmare.) yah. Glad that's SEP. <innocent blink> - Amgine/ t·e 00:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
One possibility is throttling: it doesn't stop them from editing, but it slows them down and makes the damage more manageable. If you keep the interval low enough, it will only be triggered by those who are making large numbers of edits in a very short period of time- more often than not a sign that someone is trying to do as much as they can before they're caught. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Could be worth a shot, but their historical editing pace has not been rapid. I think they rely more on their edits looking plausible enough to those who are unfamiliar with Finnish and related etymologies, and the few people who are familiar. - TheDaveRoss 11:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Portuguese forma[edit]

Hi I noticed this was changed to a borrowing by the bot last year. Is this certain to be true? I'm unsure about it. Does it have to do with Old Portuguese fermoso? Word dewd544 (talk) 02:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Word dewd544: Are you referring to these diffs? If so, check out this discussion. I made the updates, but I did so "dumbly" based on the request of others who knew what was going on. - TheDaveRoss 11:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh never mind then; seems I got the wrong person. Either way I think I understand what they were doing now, separating the two etymologies, with one set of senses being borrowed and another being popular. Thanks. Word dewd544 (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion brought in IRC[edit]

ca:Categoria:Pàgines que enllacen a la Viquipèdia is borrowing from an idea implemented in fr.WT, who also do other sister projects such as fr:Wikiquote. Such categories might be useful, especially for language learners. - Amgine/ t·e 17:21, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Amgine: However somehow this will end up calling a module for every single link on the whole project, rendering everything one giant Lua error. - TheDaveRoss 18:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmm. Possibly, but I think they are using simpler sister projects template model where <code type="pseudo">if (is_sister_template) && (isset(lang)) then { [[category:Pages which link to {{{sister project}}}|{{{pagename}}}]][[category:Pages that link to {{{lang}}}:{{{sister project}}}|{{{pagename}}}]] }</code> or some similar lotek approach. - Amgine/ t·e 21:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Can you run your bot in main namespace (Translations section) and change all "Kurmanji" and "Sorani" to "Northern Kurdish" and "Central Kurdish" respectively? These are standard terms. Thanks.--Calak (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess I can do that. Is this the kind of thing where they should be nested under a single language or sorted by their full name? - TheDaveRoss 16:03, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes they should be under Kurdish, not independently. Thanks.--Calak (talk) 16:58, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
All we should do is this... .--Calak (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
What's up with bot?--Calak (talk) 18:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm downloading the most recent dump now, then I have to write the bot, then I can run it! - TheDaveRoss 20:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. I don't want to make trouble.--Calak (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Todo/Citations without citations[edit]

Hey Dave. Can you rerun Wiktionary:Todo/Citations without citations please? I think we might be left with a couple of dozen to do now --XY3999 (talk) 13:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@XY3999: Updated. - TheDaveRoss 14:36, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, all done except one - I'm travelling to Saudi Arabia soon, and am afraid that if I edit that page I won't be allowed in the country. Like when this guy quoted a cartoon and was arrested after entering USA --XY3999 (talk) 10:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
@XY3999: That would be a terrible shame, since there are so many better reasons to keep you out of a country! - TheDaveRoss 13:23, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Damn, my visa got denied. --XY3999 (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


Wiktionary-l message from psychoslave, fyi. - Amgine/ t·e 21:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


Cheers for zapping all those Tracking pages. Now I can get a decent look at what's needed. --XY3999 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

My pleasure. - TheDaveRoss 18:13, 2 November 2018 (UTC)