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Your further input may be helpful at [[WT:RFV#padawan]], if you would. Thanks.​—msh210 (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


Just letting you know about [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2014/March#CheckUsers on Wiktionary]].​—msh210 (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


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Please sign new Wikimedia confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information by 15 December023:34, 15 September 2015
Kephir dispute resolution712:24, 23 May 2015
{{reflist}}416:12, 9 March 2015
wallaby208:26, 29 August 2014
Why'd ya make the Andrewsarchus extinct again?021:10, 14 October 2013
New England116:11, 13 August 2013
Re:SemperBlotto "Nah" deletion022:26, 21 November 2011
Template:WS:rfvBP121:56, 31 October 2011
Spanish bot113:37, 25 October 2011
Moving Wikisaurus:homosexual209:44, 8 April 2011
Wiktionary_talk:Todo#Chinese_translations007:48, 18 March 2011
WT:RFDO#Template:es-noun-m119:21, 17 February 2011
phrasal verbs list204:46, 16 February 2011
Bot-generated lists for Icelandic111:33, 14 February 2011
Toolserver018:33, 13 February 2011
Wiktionary:Requests for verification#baiskeli019:49, 12 February 2011
Hindi searches1322:34, 7 February 2011
stage left, stage right123:06, 31 January 2011
crouch023:47, 27 January 2011

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Kephir dispute resolution

What has to happen is there needs to be some guarantee that Kephir won't keep bullshit blocking me and removing content I make on third-party pages, at least without harsh penalties. At present, the only rules-based way to prevent an admin from blocking an editor is to take away his tools. FWIW, the decision to start this discussion didn't start in a vacuum...I've been working on it for months, and not alone.

Purplebackpack8916:33, 20 May 2015

I understand that there are some interpersonal issues going on, and as with all things there are various points of view. What I am saying is that punitive votes have very rarely (if ever) succeeded, and if you actually want an outcome which resolves anything a vote is probably the worst place to start. The most likely outcome is probably just increased acrimony, no matter what the result of the vote.

TheDaveRoss17:50, 20 May 2015

Well, I wouldn't say this is wholly punitive. It's preventive in the sense that it aims to stop Kephir bullshit blocking me again. It also wasn't taken lightly; I used literally all the bullets I could before resorting to this. I tried talking to Kephir...and he deleted my comments as vandalism. Other people tried talking to Kephir...and he refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing, continuing to maintain that I'm a vandal and should be indeffed. But if you think we can still talk our way out of this, go right ahead and talk to Kephir about his blocks. See what happens. I think it's likely that you'll get one of the following two responses:

  1. Kephir refuses to respond entirely (perhaps by deleting your thread), or
  2. Kephir maintains he was clearly in the right, and I should be indeffed as a vandal

As you can see, either response is ridiculous, but you could still try talking to him. Good luck,

Purplebackpack8918:10, 20 May 2015

Why was I alerted that there were new messages in this thread which required my attention?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.22:51, 20 May 2015

@I.S.M.E.T.A.: LiquidThreads notifies you of any conversation on a talk-page you're watching. (I assume you do have User:TheDaveRoss on your watchlist? If not, then I have no explanation.)

RuakhTALK00:18, 21 May 2015

Pretty boring page to watch!

TheDaveRoss11:46, 21 May 2015


You seem to be the only legitimate user of {{reflist}}, which you created; the rest are from transwikis and confused Wikipedians. I think we should not have that template under this name. Would you like it in your userspace?

Keφr06:16, 10 November 2014

Sure, although it could probably just be deleted along with all of the pages which use it.

TheDaveRoss16:03, 10 November 2014

Since you still have the sysop bit, I will leave it to you. (As well as running all that through the bureaucracy, if you feel it necessary.)

Keφr17:08, 10 November 2014

@Kephir Just FYI, the template has been recreated (by, you guessed it, a confused Wikipedian). :b

- -sche (discuss)02:02, 6 March 2015

There is nothing more fun than confusing Wikipedians!

TheDaveRoss16:12, 9 March 2015

So you know, a wallaby is not a mammal, but a marsupial.

Type56op9 (talk)19:26, 28 August 2014

Marsupials are mammals.

RuakhTALK04:45, 29 August 2014

OK, I suck!

Type56op9 (talk)08:26, 29 August 2014

Why'd ya make the Andrewsarchus extinct again?

The word andrewsarchus is more than just worth being mentioned in the Wiktionary! Why'd ya deleted the entry???--, 14 October 2013

New England

I have lived in Rhode Island since I was 2 1/2 years old. I was born in Virginia, though, and have no relatives there. Tharthan 20:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Tharthan20:34, 20 June 2011

I never got to asking, but what part of New England are you from?

Tharthan (talk)16:11, 13 August 2013

Re:SemperBlotto "Nah" deletion

You're referencing the wrong page. Page in question is podunk, not a slang term for breasts Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 22:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker)22:26, 21 November 2011


Do you think you could provide some input to Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Others#Template:WS:rfvBP? There, I have nominated a template you have created for deletion, and we are unclear what the template was supposed to be used for. Thank you.

Dan Polansky15:37, 31 October 2011

I responded, I think it is deletable. Thanks for checking in though.

TheDaveRoss21:56, 31 October 2011

Spanish bot

Hi, you've got a working Spanish conjugation bot, right? Could I feed it sobrevolar please.

Rockpilot12:21, 25 October 2011

I haven't had one for some time, if there is a need I could write a new one.

TheDaveRoss13:37, 25 October 2011

Moving Wikisaurus:homosexual

Can you move "Wikisaurus:homosexual" to "Wikisaurus:homosexual person"? I cannot do it myself, as the page is locked for moving. Alternatively, can you unprotect the page in such a way that I can do the moving myself? Thanks! (I am not an admin.) --Dan Polansky 12:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Dan Polansky12:07, 7 April 2011

I am not sure why this request was directed at me instead of on the talk page. I don't see why this shouldn't be merely semi-protected, so I will make that change. As far as the move, I am not convinced that the move is warranted. There should almost certainly be two (or more) pages, one for words related to homosexual, one for words related to homosexual person, one for male homosexuals etc.

TheDaveRoss21:29, 7 April 2011

Thank you for making the page merely semi-protected. An explanation for the move: Once I move WS:homosexual to "WS:homosexual person", I can move WS:gay to WS:homosexual and thus turn WS:homosexual into an adjective-only page.

Why I have asked you: The request could have been directed at any admin; I had to choose an admin by a fairly arbitrary method. I could have made a random list of admins and then roll the die, but given the page was originally protected by you back on 9 September 2006 (diff), it seemed natural to ask you. Posting a request on the talk page of a Wikisaurus entry is an almost guaranteed way to have it ignored. Thanks again.

Dan Polansky09:44, 8 April 2011

Please check this out when you get the time. :) Thanks. ---> Tooironic 07:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

---> Tooironic07:48, 18 March 2011

Experienced Spanish speakers wanted. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Mglovesfun (talk)11:39, 17 February 2011

I already supported that once, but I will support it again. Vote early, vote often etc. etc.

TheDaveRoss19:21, 17 February 2011

phrasal verbs list

You mentioned before that you're able to whip up a page to find phrasal verbs. Could you do that for me, generate a page of all multiword entries in Category:English verbs which aren't in Category:Englihs phrasal verbs?

We9fud17:55, 13 February 2011

Ah yes, I had forgotten. I downloaded the categories dump and I will look at that tomorrow.

TheDaveRoss02:01, 14 February 2011

This one is tricky since I have to use a whole different dump file, one which is SQL not XML. I am writing a new parser to generate the list but I have to start from scratch so it will be a little bit before it is done. Maybe Thursday.

TheDaveRoss04:46, 16 February 2011

Bot-generated lists for Icelandic

Thanks a lot for running this. It's already very useful. The only thing is, there are more templates I use that I didn't mention. The list should be as follows: {{is-decl-adj-1}}, {{is-decl-adj-2}}, {{is-decl-adj-3}}, {{is-decl-adj-góður}}, {{is-decl-adj-mikill}}, {{is-decl-adj-lítill}}, {{is-decl-noun-m-s1}}, {{is-decl-noun-m-s2}}, {{is-decl-noun-m-s3}}, {{is-decl-noun-m-w1}}, {{is-decl-noun-m-w2}}, {{is-decl-noun-f-s1}}, {{is-decl-noun-f-s2}}, {{is-decl-noun-f-s3}}, {{is-decl-noun-f-w1}}, {{is-decl-noun-f-w2}}, {{is-decl-noun-n-s}}, {{is-decl-noun-n-w}}, {{is-decl-noun-maður}}, {{is-decl-noun-kona}}, {{is-decl-noun-móðir}}, {{is-decl-noun-systir}}, {{is-decl-noun-bróðir}}, {{is-decl-noun-faðir}}, {{is-decl-noun-fótur}}, {{is-decl-noun-fingur}}, {{is-conj-w1}}, {{is-conj-w2}}, {{is-conj-w3}}, {{is-conj-w4}}, {{is-conj (hafa)}}, {{is-conj (kaupa)}}, {{is-conj (vilja)}}.

Krun11:30, 14 February 2011

I noticed that there were a bunch of variants so I ran it looking for the prefix only {{is-decl-noun, {{is-decl-adj, and {{is-conj. Hopefully all of the ones you listed will have been captured.

TheDaveRoss11:33, 14 February 2011

Hi TheDaveRoss,

Do you object to my keeping this? (Not marking it "RFV passed", per se, since no one added valid citations, but not deleting it, either, since decent evidence was presented, and the main problem seems to be a shortage of Swahili-speaking citers.)

Thanks in advance,

RuakhTALK19:49, 12 February 2011

Hindi searches


I'm asking around abound Hindi searches. Could you help me out, please? --Anatoli 00:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli00:42, 31 January 2011

Thanks for your reply.

Here's what I'm asking for.


First of all, the pairs with nuqta (a dot underneath) and without it should be searchable the same way Roman letters with diacritics and without are searchable.

The letters are not identical but So that if a user typed खून, ख़ून would also be listed.


  • Different forms of alif: ا, أ‎, إ‎, ﺁ‎ and ٱ‎‎ should be searchable together, e.g. أمس and امس, etc.
  • Words containing any of these diacritics could be searchable as if they don't have them and the other way around:

ـَ fatHa, ـِ kasra, ـُ Damma, ـْ sukuun, ـّ shadda, ـٰ dagger 'alif.

Is it possible? Anatoli 12:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

12:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli12:51, 31 January 2011

More diacritics for Arabic:

12:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli12:53, 31 January 2011

Tim Starling added a bug for this, and I will add all of the characters you have listed above to the bug. I told him that we wanted this behavior in AutoComplete (in the search fields) as well as included in the DidYouMean extension which suggests alternative results when your search doesn't lead to an existing page, is there anywhere else this should be enabled?

TheDaveRoss14:37, 31 January 2011


Stephen G. Brown reminded me of Arabic kashida: الكـــــــســـــــــر = الكسر. The symbol is ـ. I also forgot the pairs: ي / ى like in مصري / مصرى. Sorry, I didn't think of these yesterday.

Yes, it's what you're asking. The treatment for alternative letters should be like for Roman words conaining any of Appendix:Variations_of_"a" or others, so when you type etre, you can see être in the search box. Anatoli 19:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli19:21, 31 January 2011

Thank you, I tested various Arabic alifs, they seem to work, no luck with Hindi variants, though. Anatoli 21:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli21:41, 31 January 2011

I am pretty sure no modifications have yet been made, the bug was only just submitted and I understand that the guy who works on search functions for Mediawiki is pretty busy at the moment.

TheDaveRoss21:43, 31 January 2011

Persian often uses a zero-width nonjoiner (& # x200C;) as in ویکی‌پدیا. People who don’t know how to access it tend to substitute a space: ویکی پدیا. It’s a misspelling, but lots of people can’t help it.

In languages like Khmer and Thai that do not use word spaces, there is often a zero-width space (& # x200B;) as in តើអ្នកនិយាយ​ភាសាអង់គ្លេស​ទេ. More often than not, it is simply left out (តើអ្នកនិយាយភាសាអង់គ្លេសទេ). Both spellings are correct.

I think Anatoli neglected to mention the word-final Arabic pair ه/ة. The final letter ة may be typed as ه.

—Stephen (Talk)23:05, 31 January 2011

Do you know how Mediawiki currently handles this? We obviously don't want all spaces to be normalized to that character, and we don't want that character to be normalized to a space either (or terrible matches would be made).

TheDaveRoss23:13, 31 January 2011

No, I don’t know how it works. &# x200C; and &# x200B; definitely should not be removed or changed, but &# x200C; should be seen by the software as the equivalent of a space, and &# x200B; should be seen as the equivalent of nothing at all.

—Stephen (Talk)00:07, 1 February 2011


Is there any update? Anatoli 03:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli03:56, 4 February 2011

Sorry, yeah, the bug is here if you want to check it out or add to it, there have been no updates from developers on the bug at this point. It will probably take a while, they are busy people.

TheDaveRoss03:18, 7 February 2011

Thank you! --Anatoli 22:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Anatoli22:34, 7 February 2011

How are these used? Are these parts of the stage or areas next to the stage or either? If an area of the stage, is it relative to the center or relative to each individual actor or either depending on context? I ask because various dictionary definitions allow for these possibilities.

DCDuring TALK23:00, 31 January 2011

I didn't add the definitions, only the glosses, but to my understanding both are valid uses. The very popular phrase from American cartoons "exit, stage left" is the area offstage to the left from the performers perspective. When a performer moves to the left or right on the stage they are also moving "stage left" or "stage right", compare to "upstage" and "downstage". As for relativity, I think it is relative to the performers previous position unless otherwise stated, similar to cardinal directions. I suppose it would be possible to "move stage left of Tim" or similar, but I have no knowledge of that use.

TheDaveRoss23:06, 31 January 2011

Thank you for your kindness with your welcome and correcction of my mistake (so sorry). I am Spanish speaker, and only dare to make some translations of some terms in senses I seen used in texts and not seen so in dictionarys (as my humble opinion). Feel free to correct any thing you found, and, please, show it to me to better do my task

Obernhardt 23:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Obernhardt23:47, 27 January 2011