User talk:Wiktionarist90

Urak Lawoi'

Please don't rage. I have added some information about allophones in Wikipedia. I have newer source than you have.

• de Groot, Jacob Y. (2012). Urak Lawoi’: Language and Social History. Phuket: Prince of Songkla University, Phuket Campus.

(I see you are using 1988 edition of phoneme that is quite old.)

• [t͡ɕ] and [t͡ɕʰ] allophones are influenced by Thai, where as [d͡ʒ] is influenced by Malay.
• Aspirated consonants only appear in loanwords (that are mostly from Thai).

Also I must say, the Urak Lawoi' orthography is already well-documented. --Octahedron80 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah please don't rage and don't be condescending.

• That's why I said we are not in 2011? I didn't even state that I have been using only one (1) source.
• [c] and [ɟ] are intended to be the neutral representation of variations of sounds, just like [r].
• And...?
• I beg to differ. --Wiktionarist90 (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

They are allophones. Don't you know allophone? I don't even modify phoneme in slashes. Allophone reflects how they actually read. Urak Lawoi' have 4 dialects at least as far as I know. I can put many allophones after phoneme. And why 2011? My source is 2012 that is the newest source I can find about the language. You can search for it. Or do you have newer than mine? Please show me.--Octahedron80 (talk) 01:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Ooh I'm not sure if I am the one who is raging now. Anyway, apart from allophone things, there also exists the concept of broad and narrow transcription, and being in the square brackets in a certain context doesn't necessarily mean that they are intended to be the most ultimate or absolute transcription of speeches. You said you can put many allophones after the phoneme but what you have been doing is replace it, not add. And why 2011? Because apart from what you think I have been using, I also base some symbols on Center for Documentation and Revitalization of Endangered Language. Manual of Urak Lawoi' Orthography in Thai Alphabet. Nakhon Pathom: Research Institute for Languages and Cultures of Asia, Mahidol University, which was published in 2020. --Wiktionarist90 (talk) 01:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

The orthography I refer to Mahidol U. 2020 too. (It's only one regulation.) But I didn't see full paper of it yet. Could you send a copy for me via my email  ? I had to mention de Groot (2012) because it gives good details on IPA. Welllll, I will append my allophones after your things then. --Octahedron80 (talk) 01:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Fine. I have to take photos of pages since I have it in paper form, so it will take a while. Also, please be noted that de Groot, Jacob Y. base their research on Phuket dialect while Mahidol University base the orthography on Lanta dialect. --Wiktionarist90 (talk) 02:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)