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== <s>[[:Category:Singapore]]</s> ==

I don't think that this category will be used very much, so I don't see any reason why we need a category for each country, like this one. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 14:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

:To quote the parent category right now "This category has the following 20 subcategories, out of 194 total. " '''Speedy keep'''. If it's still near empty in say, a month or six weeks, then we can re-nominate it. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 16:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

::Ok. If it is still empty or nearly empty within the next, say two weeks, I'll renominate it. Thanks for the speedy resolution! [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 19:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

:::'''Kept''', but remember that all categories start with a single article. Well, usually. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== [[Template:categoryTOC-Mahal]] ==

This ToC contains only one letter, eliminating all and any usefulness this could theoretically have. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 13:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' or '''speedy delete'''. Unused and unusable. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' per nom.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 17:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::In fairness, I'd really like to know what this is supposed to do. I get the impression that it never got finished. I suspect, therefore, that if it is needed, it already exists under another name. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[Template:citesneeded]]</s> ==

Seems rather redundant to {{temp|rfv}}. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 13:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' or '''speedy delete'''. Unused and unusable. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:Redirect to {{temp|rfquote}} or delete.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 17:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::RfV can lead to deletion in 30 days; neither {{temp|citesneeded}} nor {{temp|rfquote}} have that effect. The "rf-" prefix seems to be our preferred way of indicating such requests. '''delete''' per MSH210. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 19:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I went for the '''redirect'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== [[:Category:*Topics]] ==

To be orphaned and moved to [[:Category:All topics]]. I believe there was consensus on this in [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour archive/2009/September#*Topics]]. If all goes well here, we can move onto the other languages. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 16:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, category names should never start with silly characters like this. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

: I '''support''' moving [[:Category:*Topics]] to [[:Category:All topics]]. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 20:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted''' (all of them have been moved). --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 23:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== [[Template:MChin.]] ==

The last of the "dot-style" templates! I believe we consistently treat "Middle Chinese" as a separate language rather than a dialect just noted in etymologies. "Middle Chinese" is currently listed at [[Wiktionary:Language codes#Languages]] as a separate language and 357 entries use it as an L2 header (though its language categories haven't been created). Since there's no exact ISO 639 code (<code>ltc</code> is for "'''Late''' Middle Chinese"),I propose the new Wiktionary code {{temp|zh-mid}}. This would allow us to convert {{temp|MChin.}} → {{temp|etyl|zh-mid}}. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 20:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

: [[Wiktionary:Language codes#Code assignment|Wiktionary:Language codes]] calls for using an ISO 639-5 code for the first part not an ISO 639-1, so that needs to be ''zhx'' not ''zh''. I.e., {{temp|zhx-mid}} with a conversion of {{temp|MChin.}} → {{temp|etyl|zhx-mid}}. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 02:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

:: OK with me. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 03:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Lojban nouns]]</s> ==

Lojban does not have nouns. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] 05:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:Any evidence to support that? This category contains two proper nouns right now. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

::That’s right, no nouns. There are only three parts of speech and they use Lojban words for them, like [[cmavo]]. No use for a noun or proper noun category. Someone who does not know anything about the language added the proper-noun headings. [[User:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] 12:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:::It seems to me that regardless of what they call them, in many instances they correspond strongly to "real" parts-of-speech. As this is a dictionary for English speakers, it would seem normal (as for all other languages) that we use the English grammatical system to describe it. Certainly the definition of [[cmavo]], while it looks (exactly?) like the definition in a Lojban dictionary, does not make any sense to an English speaker. (Conversely, if we were to include all the "arguments" that English words could take, I suspect we could end up defining "spoke to x1 about x2" in a manner akin to the Lojban dictionary (with the difference that English [[brivla]]? need specific connectors instead of taking positional arguments). [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad]].[[User_talk:Conrad.Irwin|Irwin]] 12:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

::::The Lojban language was constructed to deliberately avoid standard grammatical categories in favor of strictly logical ones. A ''cmavo'' is not a noun. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 14:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Hmm, has there been a debate on Lobjan? If none of its words are attestable, maybe the whole language should be deleted (like Klingon). [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 19:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Yes, Lobjan is allowed by consensus. See [[WT:CFI#Constructed languages]]. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 08:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Granted, I'm not Lojbanist, but aren't all {{term|lang=jbo|cmene}} {{term||proper nouns}} given the way they are defined? As for the rest of the Lojban language, while it would not be the simplest way to describe the grammar, I dare say that if anyone were interested, one could assign the usual parts of speech to the various Lojban constructs built up from the gismus. Whether the effort would be useful is another question. Probably not, as only those who [[drink the Kool-Aid]] are likely to use a dictionary for a constructed language, so they'd be wanting the Lojbanic grammatical organization.

Anyway, no opinion as to whether this should be deleted or kept, but if kept shouldn't [[:Category:jbo:Gismu]] and [[:Category:jbo:Lujvo]] be renamed [[:Category:Lojban gismu]] and [[:Category:Lojban lujvo]] respectively? (Probably should be renamed anyway as they aren't topical categories at all.) — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 20:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, they should definitely be moved. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] 17:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Keep''', I see no reason to use Lojban grammatical terms in English. We don't use ''noms communs'' in French or ''substantivos'' in Spanish, we use '''nouns'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

:::No, you see Lojban does not have nouns, nor does it have anything that remotely resembles nouns. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] 02:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

::::So [[Welsh]] language is not a proper noun? In fairness I'd like to nominate every Lobjan word for clean up. this x1 x2 stuff is incomprehensible to me. In the same way that our medical, mathematical and sports definitions have to be comprehensible to users that are not specialists in those areas. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::That is correct that [[mraigo]] is not a proper noun. I agree that the x1 x2 stuff is very difficult to understand, but there really isn't any way to fix it that I can think of. Lojban is a rather complicated language with concepts that are completely foreign to English speakers and thus it is very difficult to convey with English definitions. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] 04:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''Strong delete'''. As plainly stated before, Lojban has three parts of speech, and nouns are not one of them. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 14:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== <strike>Cantonese dialect part of speech categories</strike> ==

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Adjectives]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Adjectives]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Adverbs]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Adverbs]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Idioms]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Idioms]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Nouns]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Nouns]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Proper nouns]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Proper nouns]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Verbs]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Verbs]]</strike>===

Came across these and the Cantonese dialect topical categories below while working to replace the deprecated {{temp|nav}} with {{temp|topic cat}}. Were also a pair of categories for Proverbs that I deleted already because they were empty. At a minimum if kept these need to be renamed to follow the convention of POS categories. However, I don't think we want POS categories for dialects that are universally recognized as such. '''delete''' — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 02:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

: Pardon my French, but are you fucking retarded? I can't even think of anything to say to this nonsense. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 15:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:: If anyone is claiming Hong Kong Cantonese and Mainland Cantonese are independent languages instead of being dialects or standards of Cantonese, I'm not aware of that. Furthermore, even if we were to keep these POS categories our current conventions would call for renaming these to ''Mainland Cantonese adjectives'', ''Hong Kong Cantonese adjectives'', etc., rather than using the prefix system for topical categories. From the evidence available to me, the categories make as much sense as if we had separate POS categories for American English and British English. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 18:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::: It doesn't make sense to you because you clearly know nothing about Chinese. Besides the fact that Cantonese and Mandarin (leaving the many other dialects aside for now) are in no way mutually intelligible except in their standard written forms, many spoken words use different writings altogether. For the basic "see", Mandarin uses {{Hant|看見}} kànjiàn where Cantonese uses {{Hant|睇見}} tai2gin3.

:::: Even words that have the same written forms are pronounced very differently. {{Hant|螢火蟲}} is pronounced yíng huǒ chóng {{IPAchar|/iŋ˧˥ xuɔ˨˩ tʂʰʊŋ˧˥/}} in Mandarin, but jing4 fo2 cung4 {{IPAchar|/jɪŋ˨˩ fɔː˧˥ tsʰʊŋ˨˩/}} in Cantonese, and that's much closer than many words ever get.

::::The "Mainland Cantonese" and "Hong Kong Cantonese" is ridiculous, as the words themselves don't vary regionally; it is only the traditional and simplified character usage. The category naming system corresponds to Mandarin's zh-tw (for Taiwan) and zh-cn (for PRC). Given that you know nothing about Chinese, perhaps you should limit your commentary on how we organize it. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 18:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]], I don't think Carolina is suggesting to merge or delete the pages, more like to clean up the category names. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::{{qualifier|Applies to above and below}} basically this is a huge cleanup issue. What we really need is a Beer Parlour consensus and then to act on it. I think it might require a bot to do it as well, given the number of pages to recategorize. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:CW, this is the current way (per [[WT:AZH#Chinese Categories]]) that the Chinese languages sort their POS categories (q.v. [[:Category:zh-tw:Adverbs]]). You aren't the [[Wiktionary:Beer_parlour_archive/2008/August#Chinese_Categories|first]] to be [[Wiktionary_talk:About_Chinese#zh-tw.2C_zh-cn.2C_etc.|confused]] by the incongruity with how all other languages differentiate their topical and POS categories. Changes to the system have been discussed before, and apparently it would be easy because of templates. Sadly, I think confusion has caused many editors to avoid Chinese categories/entries when doing cleanup. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 20:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:: Since this is a script issue rather than a dialect issue, at the very least they ought to be named in a manner that does not suggest regional dialects they are regional dialects which led to my confusion, and no doubt that of others. As a suggestion, ''yue-Hans'' and ''yue-Hant'' would be preferable if Cantonese and the other Chinese languages/dialects are going to be subdivided based on script type. Even better for the POS categories would be something like ''Cantonese (Simplified)'' and ''Cantonese (Traditional)''. Using ISO 3166 codes as a substitute for script marking inherently leads to confusion. It also would be a system applicable to other languages with multiple scripts if they were also subdivided at the category level. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 23:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I like the script code idea. It's an improvement that wouldn't require too much change to other parts of wiktionary. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 02:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Stricken''', nominator was confused. Renaming of script cats should be discussed at [[WT:BP]] and someone needs to notify [[User:A-cai]] if they're going to bring it up. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 19:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== <strike>Cantonese dialect topical categories</strike> ==

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Anatomy]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Anatomy]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-cn:Insects]]</strike>===

===<strike>[[:Category:yue-hk:Insects]]</strike>===

Came across these and the Cantonese dialect parts of speech categories above while working to replace the deprecated {{temp|nav}} with {{temp|topic cat}}. Those templates don't even work for these at present, as we don't have either {{temp|yue-cn}} or {{temp|yue-hk}}. I don't think we want topical categories for dialects that are universally recognized as such. '''delete''' — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 02:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:Per above, this is apolicy issue rather than a deletion one, so this needs Beer Parlour attention. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Stricken''', nominator was confused. Renaming of script cats should be discussed at [[WT:BP]] and someone needs to notify [[User:A-cai]] if they're going to bring it up. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 19:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:100 English basic words]]</s> ==

This is outdated, and there are not 100 words in it! Below is a copy of the discussion, from [[Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup]], more than 2 years ago. I'd strongly favor this information in appendixes.

First of all, there are 101 words in there. Secondly, I often see a word that ranks somewhere over a Hundred in Gutenberg, but is in this category. Third, there are so much of those lists around, I do not know which one to choose. [[User:Hamaryns|henne]] 17:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:This was a list of words created and designated by THEM, and is not based on what words are most common. It's a "starter vocabulary", and the equivalents of these words are deemed to be a good starting point for a new Wiktionary project. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 06:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

: My analysis of Project Gutenberg (as a corpus) has no relation to this person's project. I find them interesting in comparison to each other, as well as to the other Frequency lists we have.

: Perhaps if I actually ''had'' compared them in earnest, I would have noticed (before now) that it links to a copyright site, that has a no-commercial reuse clause. So this should move from [[WT:RFC]] to [[WT:RFDO]]. :-(

: --[[User:Connel MacKenzie|Connel MacKenzie]] 06:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:: But I will not move it to RFDO myself, as that would possibly look like I'm favoring Project Gutenberg unfairly, or some-such. --[[User:Connel MacKenzie|Connel MacKenzie]] 08:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

:<s>'''Delete'''</s> as it appears the copyright on this list is not compatible with Wiktionary. Could we include it as an appendix if there are copyright problems? --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 14:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Delete''' per above. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

::Are we talking about the UK National Literacy Trust list of 100 basic words? Do we think they are out to sue us for breaking copyright? There might be a reason for WMF (or us) to convince them to use one or more of the licenses that would make it automatic for us to keep it. It is safe to assume that they haven't copyright on the category name. '''Keep''' category, find or compile copyright acceptable list of basic words. Perhaps the vast technical resources of Simple English Wiktionary can help. Or we could borrow/link from them. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 16:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:::It could be replaced with the top 100 Gutenburg words by frequency. We should remove copyvio's regardless of what we ''think'' the other organization will do. If they do allow it in the future it can always be added back. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 17:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::::The 100 most common words according to Gutenberg are mostly pronouns and prepositions. That list would not be too useful and we already have it as an appendix I believe. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 18:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Keep''' unless this is an indubitable copyvio. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 21:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Keep''' per Dan Polansky. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Keep & RFC''' These words were added by the long-gone [[User:Conan|Conan]] (and his [[User:ConanBot|Bot]]). The original link on the category page was not to the UK site but to [http://web.archive.org/web/20051024172614/http://homeworktips.about.com/od/spelling/qt/Mostused100.htm here] (a cached copy of the now-dead [http://homeworktips.about.com/od/spelling/qt/Mostused100.htm original page]). But oddly, the words in this category don't match up to either published list. So there's no copyright violation going on. It leaves us with the fact that we don't know how these words were choosen, which is why I think they should be sent for cleanup, not deletion. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 20:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Kept'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 13:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==<s>[[:Category:200 English basic words]]</s>==

As above --[[User:Volants|Volants]] 12:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' for these reasons:

# Doesn't contain 200 word, more like 170

# Subjective

# What purpose does this serve? [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' See above and below. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 16:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' unless this is an indubitable copyvio. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 21:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' per Dan Polansky. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Kept'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 13:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==<s>[[:Category:1000 English basic words]]</s>==

As above. Thankfully, there's no [[:Category:10000 English basic words]] --[[User:Volants|Volants]] 12:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' for these reasons:

# Doesn't contain 1000 word, more like 900

# Subjective

# What purpose does this serve? [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:Reply to stated deletion rationale:

:# Seems like a reason to improve, not delete.

:# How do you know? How was it created? It would be unfortunate if the methodology were not documented. It would be more unfortunate if it were deleted and there was some documentation. Whether the category is a faithful replica of the Ogden list is unknown, but it seems to be. Ogden provided some documentation of his method in his publications. It seems that it would be an interesting benchmark on its 100th or 80th anniversary (2010).

:# Much of our content has no demonstrated or even explicit purpose beyond making us resemble or appear superior to other reference works. Some other reference works or texts have such lists. It may be that the membership in the category needs some kind of updating against a more modern list than Ogden's.

:'''Keep''' [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 15:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Keep''' unless this is an indubitable copyvio. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 21:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Keep''' per Dan Polansky. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Kept'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 13:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[Template:phrasebook]]</s> ==

This does not seem to have any real advantage to just writing out the category. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 05:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:LOL. Indeed. It either needs something adding to it (but what) or deleting. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' in hopes that someone can make more of it eventually. I really don't see the point of replacing the template with the category in all the entries involved. At least it saves a few keystrokes, unlike {{temp|non-gloss definition}}, which may eventually be useful as marking types of senses at a cost of many keystrokes. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 15:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

*Keep per DCDuring.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 16:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' (or possibly '''rename'''). We don't generally have templates whose only function is to add a category (I can't think of any). Therefore the name should be more indicative of it's function (there could be many template actions associated with the Phrasebook). Maybe {{temp|phrasebook-cat}}? But the more letters added, the less useful this shortcut is. So leaning '''delete'''. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 17:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

::I think if kept it should be orphaned and sent to [[WT:RFC|RFC]], per above. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

:::This deletion effort seems analogous to a cost accountant saying that we should take down the scaffolding for the new building because we don't need it this week. Do you think this project is almost finished? We are regularly reinforcing the structure, haven't finished the floors or exterior walls, let alone the interior walls, carpeting, elevators, basic utilities, furniture, etc. And we're doing it all on spec, without really knowing who the tenants will be. And, for some reason, we are adding new wings. I'd venture to say that we still should be issuing figurative hard hats to site visitors, including both job-seekers and future tenants.

:::Among the many things that a template could do that a category alone cannot is present a distinct look to phrasebook pages, offering a visual clue that the entry has special value and content for language learners and is not like our true dictionary entries. We already have distinct presentation for WikiSaurus. We probably should have it for WikiGazetteer entries, too. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 12:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Well orphaned, so '''keep'''. Orphaning it means editors can do test edits without it affecting the main space. Note also it was used in an Icelandic entry, but it doesn't yet have a <nowiki>{{{lang}}}</nowiki> parameter. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned, so '''kept'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 13:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Medical]]</s> ==

===[[:Category:gd:Medical]]===

===[[:Category:zh:Medical]]===

===[[:Category:zh-cn:Medical]]===

===[[:Category:zh-tw:Medical]]===

===[[:Template:topic cat parents/Medical]]===

This is a fork of [[:Category:Medicine]] that doesn't appear to have any reason to be distinguished from its parent. {{temp|medical}} is already a redirect to {{temp|medicine}}. At 2,475 direct entries [[:Category:Medicine]] is one of our larger topical categories, tho with resorting into the existing subcategories, it should be able to be made smaller without the use of an unclear category such as this. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 22:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete all per nomination'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 22:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete'''. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 21:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted'''. Medical currently uses {{temp|movecat|Medicine}} because I can't be bothered changing all those categories. I will do though (or someone else). [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:hypothetical elementary particle]]</s> ==

Only five entries and not likely to be expanded much. Seems to me to be an example of overcategorization that should be upmerged into [[:Category:Elementary particles]]. If kept it needs a rename anyway, presumably to [[:Category:Hypothetical elementary particles]]. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 00:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' per above. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' per nomination. Overcategorization. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Del''' per nom. If kept, move per nom.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 17:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Deleted''', [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 07:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Java programming language]] ==

(and its sub categories and what not)

No articles use this category. It doesn't seem to have a function. [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto]] 22:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] 22:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Delete''', maybe speedy as they're already unused. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 23:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:::'''Delete''' encyclopedia-style category. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 23:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

::::They were added today by a new editor, I left a message on eir talk page, and pointed out that what e seemed to be contemplating was probably better suited to Wikibooks. If I hadn't heard back or no content was added, I'd planned to delete these in a week as a speedy, but saw no harm in giving em a chance to make a case for them. No objection to deletion unless some content is added, but do remember to delete [[:Template:topic cat description/Java programming language]] and [[:Template:topic cat parents/Java programming language]] if it is deleted. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 23:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''keep''', not true, look again... (give us time, this thing is evolving) --[[User:Alainr345|Alainr345]] 00:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''keep''', give us some time...[[Special:Contributions/221.134.26.5|221.134.26.5]] 10:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''keep''', give us time, this thing is evolving...[[User:KuwarOnline|KuwarOnline]] 10:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

*Various usages cleaned up. '''Deleted'''. The Appendix is useful (though most of the terms are not specific to Java and should be removed) - we should have others. [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto]] 08:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

::FWIW I think the three comments above may be from the same person. But then again, maybe not. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

:::'''Delete''' without prejudice. Why wouldn't a contributor start with the entries or an appendix? [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 15:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

::Why should terms used in Java programming, but not exclusively be deleted from an '''appendix''' of Java programming terms? Frankly, that would seem to be one of the advantages of using an appendix instead of categorization to do what the editor wanted. — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 22:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

==<s> [[Template:current cow]] </s>==

Tagged but not listed. Seems to be part of a project, but now unused. Maybe best to delete as unusued, but restore if needed. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

*That was part of the ill-fated "cooperation of the week" project. '''Deleted''' [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto]] 16:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Place names with unusual pronunciations]]</s> ==

Unusual by what criteria? Only one entry at present, [[Tooele]], despite dating back to 2006 when Wonderfool created it, so easy to delete. At best anything dealing with usualness ought to be handled via an Appendix not a Category. If kept, [[Thames]], [[Cairo]], and [[Vienna]] certainly would be worthy of adding (the latter two being obvious only to people who have been to Cairo, Georgia and Vienna, Georgia which are pronounced nothing like the capital cites that they are named after). — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 00:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''Delete''' in favor of an Appendix page per CW. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 04:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' as completely subjective. Don't even appendicify imo.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 17:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Delete''' per msh210. Too subjective for my tastes and for an appendix. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Very strong delete''' per above. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 20:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted''', blatantly off-topic here. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 07:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Translation templates]]</s> ==

I've nothing against this in principle, but since it's not actually used … —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 01:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Keep''' on the grounds we do have translation templates. At least give me time to clean it up. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 08:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:Keep per Mg. No harm in it.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—</span>[[User:Msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode">℠</span> 18:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Kept''', is now used. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad]].[[User_talk:Conrad.Irwin|Irwin]] 14:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Sexual deviance]]</s> ==

So very PoV. — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 17:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:I see no reason not to the contents to [[:Category:Sexuality]]. As pointed out, I don't see how this category can ever be anything but POV, so '''delete'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 04:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Deleted''', contents moved per above. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[Template:fr-infl-noun]]</s> ==

Same reasonings as [[#Template:fr-infl-adj]]. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 14:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

:

Sorry Bequw for undoing your edit. I thought this should be listed separately because

# The other discussion is months old, and hard to find.

# I'm closing the one above as a '''delete'''.

Anyway, '''delete''' this as a less-functional duplicate of {{temp|fr-noun}}. It floats right, overlapping into the next language, and doesn't allow [[WT:ACCEL]] whereas fr-noun does. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 14:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

: <small>No worries. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 14:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)</small>

::Well? Other comments? [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I have nothing to add to this discussion. Any of those right-floating boxes should be '''delete'''d since they cause various problems like the ones you mentioned. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 13:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Deleted''' by Opi. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 19:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== [[Template:new topcat]] ==

===[[Template:topcat Nature]]===

An experiment only mentioned on the [[Wiktionary:Grease pit archive/2007/August#Template:nav_.28yet_again.29|WT:GP in 2007]]. Never used and its functionality is now replaced by {{temp|topic cat}}. --[[User:Bequw|Bequw]] → [[Special:Contributions/Bequw|¢]] • [[User talk:Bequw|τ]] 00:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Strong delete''', unused, never have been. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted''', both unused. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

== [[:Category:French noun forms]] ==

=== [[Template:fr-noun-form]] ===

See primarily [[WT:BP#Plurals vs. nouns forms]]. '''Delete'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

: '''Strong delete of pwn''' — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 14:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely '''delete'''. We can call all of the entries in the category either nouns or plurals. --[[User:Rising Sun|Rising Sun]] 15:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

::If possible, comment [[#Category:Spanish noun forms]] and [[#Category:Catalan noun forms]] above too. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

'''Deleted''' —'''[[User:Internoob|Internoob]]''' ([[User talk:Internoob|Disc.]]•[[Special:Contributions/Internoob|Cont.]]) 00:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[Wiktionary:Cleanup and deletion process/index]]</s> ==

I don't actually want to delete this, but given that [[Wiktionary:Cleanup and deletion process]] is not very big, and nor is this, why not just merge the two? So I vote '''merge'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 11:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

:Since this is not actually up for deletion, I will do it one week after nomination if nobody else comments. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 17:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::'''Merge''' per umm, me. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 18:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Dutch inflexions]]</s> ==

Ten members, all of which should be in [[:Category:Dutch adjective forms]] [[AFAICT]]. Inflexion doesn't just apply to adjectives, it applies to almost all parts of speech. But since I don't speak Dutch, I'll let someone else comment. Also the redirect [[:Category:Dutch inflections]] although I'm gonna delete that as duplicate anyway. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 12:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

: Dutch adjectives have what I think are called an "inflected" form that's used in some cases that I can't recall now... but I think [[:Category:Dutch adjective forms]] is more appropriate given that Dutch adjectives have comparatives and superlatives, which (if I remember correctly) also have inflected forms. So, '''delete''' — <font face="Lucida console">[&#32;'''[[User:Opiaterein|R·I·C]]'''&#32;] <small>[[User talk:Opiaterein|opiaterein]]</small></font> — 17:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::Any more input please? [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

:: '''Delete''' and move the content to adjective forms category or other forms category if the deleted-to-be category contains non-adjectives. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 12:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

:::More tosh from Verbo (who has been blocked for life, and not by me). '''Deleted'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 22:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

== <s>[[:Category:Alternative science]]</s> ==

Despite being a four year old topical category, it currently has only one entry {{term|sentics}} which despite its fringe status, I see no problem with simply categorizing it as either [[:Category:Sciences]] or [[:Category:Psychology]]. It isn't getting use and the potential members are already largely categorized by [[:Category:Pseudoscience]], which possibly is where {{term||sentics}} also belongs. Nor so I see any objective criteria by which ''alternative science'' and ''pseudoscience'' can be differentiated. '''delete''' — <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Carolina wren|Carolina wren]]</span> [[User talk:Carolina wren|<small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió</small>]] 18:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

:I agree. '''Delete'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 07:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::'''Deleted'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 22:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)