Module talk:names

Appearance

Can someone get the text to display as a normal {{non-gloss definition}} line when it comes to linking to the entries? For example, if I mention an entry, it will look like this. Thanks! [ˌiˑvã̠n̪ˑˈs̪kr̺ud͡ʒʔˌn̺ovã̠n̪ˑˈt̪ɔ̟t̪ːo] _{(parla con me)} 14:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

When lang=en

The reason I did that is because English terms should not be tagged in definitions. I have special CSS that highlights all language-tagged parts of a page, so it's glaringly obvious. —Rua (mew) 19:18, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Erutuon forgot ping —Rua (mew) 19:18, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rua: Makes sense, but what happened was that the first term in the list wasn't tagged, but the rest were because lang was changed from nil to a language object in the first evaluation of the loop body. I can change it so it does what you intended. — Eru·tuon 19:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I missed that part then. If you'd like to fix it then I'd appreciate it. —Rua (mew) 19:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Done. — Eru·tuon 20:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Toggling italics for terms

In აკაკი (aḳaḳi), the definition line "A male given name, equivalent to English Acacius" is completely italicized, but it should look like "A male given name, equivalent to English Acacius", with Acacius un-italicized. I tried to do this, but it has the undesirable effect of un-italicizing and bolding Acacius, because of a rule similar to .use-with-mention .mention { font-weight: bold; } in MediaWiki:Common.css. The CSS rule is intended for definitions where there is a single .mention that is a lemma or main entry, but it probably needs a more specific class than .mention, because as in this template there are sometimes terms in .use-with-mention that are not lemmas or main entries that should be bolded. But adding one would be a big job, because it would require changing all the templates that currently rely on this rule. Leaving this note in case I decide to try to solve this issue. — Eru·tuon 18:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

dimtr

@Benwing2 The documentation for {{given name}} says I can use |dimtr= to manually transliterate what I entered in |dim=, but when I try to do so at מירל, I get a module error saying the template doesn't use that parameter. Help! —Mahāgaja · talk 07:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mahagaja Oops. I changed the syntax of {{given name}} and forgot to update the docs. I'll do that now. You should write dim=מרים<tr:Miryem>. The reason I switched this is that the new syntax allows a lot more flexibility than the separate-param syntax, in particularly in the |from= parameter, which can take multiple names in different languages to indicate a chain of derivation. Benwing2 (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Cool, thanks! Does <tr:xyz> work inside {{col3}}, {{col4}} and that whole family? It's long been a drawback that transliterations can't be specified there. —Mahāgaja · talk 18:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mahagaja It doesn't but I can add that. Benwing2 (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: That would be great, thanks! —Mahāgaja · talk 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Redundancy interfering with usability

Currently it's hard if not impossible to browse only the actual given names of a given sex that are not diminutives. For example, Jani is categorized under given names, male given names, and diminutives of male given names. I think the first two are not useful, only the third. Could someone fix the code to achieve this? (Possibly @Benwing2?) Adam78 (talk) 15:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

To belatedly answer this: the issue is that something may start off as or be in some cases a diminutive, but be used as other people's complete/legal name (e.g. if someone was named Jim even on their birth certificate, not named James and merely nicknamed Jim), so it'd be improper to exclude Jim from being a (given) name and segregate it only into a "diminutives..." category. (I know that in various countries and languages the situation is different, e.g. I think I read somewhere that Russian forbids using diminutives as official/legal names.) - -sche (discuss) 14:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

en:Russian male given names, etc

Can someone assist with consolidating all given names into subcategories of "Names by language" instead of some being in "Names", per Wiktionary:Requests for moves, mergers and splits#Continuation_of_#Category:en:Names_into_Category:English_names? Something like Vladimir should be in a category like "English male given names transliterated from Russian" rather than "en:Russian male given names", compare / contrast Vadim which is already in "English male given names from Slavic languages" rather than "en:Slavic male given names". - -sche (discuss) 14:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

• @-sche I have attempted to implement this in the module's sandbox and the template's sandbox. I don't have much experience editing modules, so someone should probably check my work, but it seems to be categorizing the way we want in edit previews when I change Vladimir to use the template sandbox. Note that categories of the form you suggested (Category:English male given names transliterated from Russian) do not exist, so we'll have to make this new naming scheme work with {{auto cat}}. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 17:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)