Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/h₁óynos
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Manfariel in topic οἶνος
Pronomial stem[edit]
The entry references the "pronomial stem" *h₁ey- (“he, she, it”). However, the English he is said to come from *ḱey- (“this”). I think this suggests that the Proto-Indo-European phonemes *ḱ and *h₁ were realized as a velar plosive and a velar fricative, respectively. Jackwolfroven (talk) 21:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- Not at all. They were two different stems and both are found varyingly in Germanic and other Indo-European languages. The primary meaning of the former was an anaphoric pronoun that referred to something previously mentioned, and this included use as a pronoun. The other referred specifically to things close by, and it is also the basis of the word here. Gothic has 𐌹𐌼𐌼𐌰 (imma, “him”) but also 𐌷𐌹𐌼𐌼𐌰 (himma, “this”), and German er (“he”) is from *h₁ey- too. The Slavic languages also preserve both stems. —CodeCat 21:56, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think I was confused when I wrote the above; apologies. I do have a question about that possible etymology, though: how do non-verbal stems such as this work in PIE grammar? Can they function as verbal stems? Jackwolfroven (talk) 01:45, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think your question kind of contradicts itself. If they're non-verbal stems, doesn't that mean they don't function as verbal stems by definition? —CodeCat 11:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think I was confused when I wrote the above; apologies. I do have a question about that possible etymology, though: how do non-verbal stems such as this work in PIE grammar? Can they function as verbal stems? Jackwolfroven (talk) 01:45, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Romanian[edit]
Does Romanian unu really descend from Umbrian, as depicted on the entry page ? Leasnam (talk) 11:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- No. Regular derivation from Latin unus.--Manfariel (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
οἶνος[edit]
The entry to which the link leads has the meaning "wine", not "ace".--Manfariel (talk) 18:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)