Talk:arnaut

Deletion debate

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arnaut

arnauts

If it were an inhabitant of Albania or any other territory it should be capitalized. A quick search found no gbh for lowercase spelling. Wasn't sure if this was for rfv. Any thoughts? --biblbroks_{дискашн} 14:11, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia says, "Historically, in the Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe, the word often referred generally to mercenary soldiers from Albania", so maybe the term could be found in English in the meaning "(historical) mercenary soldier from Albania" in lower case. It may take a fair bit of looking to find citations for it, though. —Angr 15:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

That was my 1st thought so I tried to discuss it at TR, but there was no response for 2 days and so I moved to a capitalized form and rfded the lowercase one. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 16:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the historical sense is almost always capitalised too:

• For this heartless deed the young Venetian vows revenge, and with his rebel band of Arnauts, he ambushes Hassan and his bodyguard and kills him, although in fair and single combat.
• There stood outside Prizren 6,000 and more Albanians, including the same ones who were previously paid wages by the Turks, and who are called "Arnauts" (annoyingly, Google Books' snippet cuts this phrase off, but it's this book)

This book does not use capital letters, but it looks like it's a direct quote of some other language (Ottoman Turkish?), rather than a use in English. I've found a total of two lower case arnauts - one in a translation of Don Quixote (which footnotes it as "A Dalmatian trooper") and one in a catalogue of Russian military officers. Not enough to base an entry on, especially since it's entirely possible that the examples are simple editorial mistakes (the second cite uses "arnaut" twice, which at least makes it unlikely it's a typo). Smurrayinchester (talk) 09:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted as "bad redirection/residual from move". If anyone wants to reenter it, they can use content from Arnaut. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 20:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Striking. —Ruakh_TALK 18:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)