Talk:date rape drug

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date rape drug[edit]

Nothing more than date rape + drug. --WikiTiki89 20:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would keep this - it is not apparent from the sum of its parts that this is a drug that facilitates date rape, instead of treating it (as opposed to, for example, cancer drugs which fight cancer, rather than causing it, or even recreational drugs which are taken voluntarily for their effects). bd2412 T 22:27, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Date rape is not a condition you can treat. Also compare "party drug", "rave drug", "chill drug", "creativity drug", "sports drug". --WikiTiki89 23:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    All of those are drugs that the person seeking the effect takes themselves (i.e., a person takes a creativity drug to boost their creativity, or a sports drug to boost their sports performance). A person does not choose to take a date rape drug in order to boost their ability to engage in date rape. A person might take a Viagra to enable themselves to perform the act, but it would be incorrect to call Viagra a "date rape drug" on that account. bd2412 T 23:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, how about "mind control drug", "truth drug", it's hard to think of these on the spot... --WikiTiki89 23:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    We have truth drug. bd2412 T 00:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    "cooperation drug", "drop dead drug", ... --WikiTiki89 00:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps the definition needs to be tweaked a bit. Consider the Portuguese translation, boa noite Cinderela, literally "good night Cinderella". This reflects the general usage of the term to specify a drug that has a combination of sedative and mind-altering effects. Although alcohol itself has jokingly been referred to as a "date rape drug" because it reduces a person's psychological and physical ability to resist, the imagery commonly brought to mind with respect to the phrase is some sort of benzodiazepine being surreptitiously introduced into the victim's drink, specifically causing the combination of sleepiness, loss of inhibition, suggestivity, and anterograde amnesia. By contrast, a drug that merely causes temporary physical paralysis, but does not effect memory or inhibition, is not brought to mind by the phrase (even though such a drug would facilitate "date rape"). bd2412 T 15:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll make it clearer for you: I just added the definition "rape committed with the use of a sedative or memory-inhibiting drug" to date rape. Now we just have to decide whether it was the chicken or the egg that came first. --WikiTiki89 15:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I have sent that sense to RfV. I do not believe that the phrase has come to be used that broadly. bd2412 T 17:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I hate to use urban dictionary to advance my point, but it might bring you some insight if you read the definition given there (obviously it should be taken with a grain of salt and cannot be used as a cite, but it shows that the sense exists). --WikiTiki89 17:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are anti-cancer drugs as well as cancer drugs, and they are the same thing. Some comprehension of how words can fit together is required by any language speaker. Equinox ◑ 23:05, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seems more like a drug that is used to rape a total stranger, rather than the victim of a date rape where it the perp is known. --Dmol (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now you may have a point. It depends on whether that sense of date rape existed before or after "date rape drug". Either way, we should add that sense to date rape. --WikiTiki89 23:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we add that sense to date rape? Can you demonstrate that outside of the phrase "date rape drug", the phrase "date rape" is ever used to refer to rape of a total stranger? bd2412 T 03:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is commonly used to refer to raping a stranger at a party. The essential difference from other forms of rape is that there is no violence involved. But like I said, this sense could have been derived from "date rape drug", or "date rape drug" could have been derived from this sense. I just don't know. If you want citations, feel free to RFV after the sense is added. --WikiTiki89 03:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Equinox. Virtually all noun-noun compounds have a certain element of context and common sense required to avoid the errors that machines make when interpreting them. Fortunately we are doing a dictionary for people. We are utterly incapable of proving an adequate dictionary for a machine anyway. DCDuring TALK 00:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
BD2412, I think what you say isn't relevant as no human being would interpret it that way. I'm getting irritated by hypothetical ways people can misinterpret something, even if nobody has never made that mistake ever. You're a lawyer, surely you believe in evidence. Well, get some evidence of someone making that mistake and we'll talk about it. Until then, it's just an amusing thought experiment. Oh and delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No human being? How about a non-English speaker, which is precisely the sort of person who would look something like this up in a dictionary? bd2412 T 03:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I stand by what I said. Find evidence of this error and then we'll discuss it further. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination.​—msh210℠ (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kept for no consensus. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 13:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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