Talk:na zdrowie
na zdrowie (in English)[edit]
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Seems equally probable to be attestable or not. I would be less nervous if it had some citations. Keφr 21:54, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's also possible that it is a mistranslation of the Russian на здоро́вье (na zdoróvʹje), which is seldom or never used by native Russians in this sense (#4) but used by foreigners when toasting with Russians (the Russian entry needs some attention). за ваше/твоё здоро́вье (za vaše/tvojó zdoróvʹje) is a more natural way of toasting but far from the only way to say "cheers". See also "na zdorovye", "na zdorovie" in Google Books or Google search. The mistranslation might be influenced by Polish or other Slavic languages, IMHO. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 12:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's a conflation of the term from Slavic languages. In the song "To Life" in Fiddler on the Roof, when the Russians come into the bar, they sing "Za vashe zdorovye, heaven bless you both, na zdrovye." (since it's a movie, I don't know how it was actually spelled in the script). Notice that the first time, they say "zdorovye" but the second time they say "zdrovye". Also, in the movie The Deer Hunter, there is a scene where the family, who are Russian immigrants, toast "na zdrovye" (again, it's a movie, so I don't know how it was spelled, but it was certainly pronounced without the "o" between "d" and "r"). I have never heard "na zdorovye" (with two O's) from any (non-Russian) English speaker. --WikiTiki89 16:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is not a conflation, nor mistranslation: it is a regular Polish-language phrase. The real question is whether it is attested in English language, in a way as, e.g., schmuck does. Altenmann (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe you misunderstood me, but I was talking about exactly that above. When an English speaker mimics a Russian with a Polish phrase, I think it's conflation. --WikiTiki89 00:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
- It is not a conflation, nor mistranslation: it is a regular Polish-language phrase. The real question is whether it is attested in English language, in a way as, e.g., schmuck does. Altenmann (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's a conflation of the term from Slavic languages. In the song "To Life" in Fiddler on the Roof, when the Russians come into the bar, they sing "Za vashe zdorovye, heaven bless you both, na zdrovye." (since it's a movie, I don't know how it was actually spelled in the script). Notice that the first time, they say "zdorovye" but the second time they say "zdrovye". Also, in the movie The Deer Hunter, there is a scene where the family, who are Russian immigrants, toast "na zdrovye" (again, it's a movie, so I don't know how it was spelled, but it was certainly pronounced without the "o" between "d" and "r"). I have never heard "na zdorovye" (with two O's) from any (non-Russian) English speaker. --WikiTiki89 16:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- RFV failed: no attesting quotations provided for the English section. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)