Talk:politieker
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Tybete
@Mnemosientje Are you positive that the -er in this word corresponds to a Dutch suffix? I suspect this could as well be the masculine nominative singular ending of the German strong declension replacing -us in Latin politicus. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Lingo Bingo Dingo: Well, German Wiktionary had a synchronic derivation Politik + -er, so I based it on that. I'm not entirely certain, no. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 21:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- -icus is replaced by -isch, so politicus (adj.) would give politisch and as strong masc. nom. sg. politischer, which is different from Politiker. Replacing -us by -er or adding -er to another term makes more sense: (*)politicus (subst.) + -er or Politik + -er -- cp. Musiker, from Musik or Musikus/musicus (subst.). --Tybete (talk) 21:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Tybete Etymologische Wörterbuch des Deutschen states that Politiker comes from Latin politicus (so not Politik + -er), but doesn't go into greater detail, and both that dictionary and Kluge state politisch derives from (Middle) French.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)- @Mnemosientje, Lingo Bingo Dingo: Pfeifer's Etymologisches Wörterbuch des Deutschen at DWDS gives a detail: "mlat. politicus. Substantivierung". That is, Politiker comes from politicus (subst.). And obviously -us was replaced by -er (substantive-forming suffix), as it's ein Politiker / der Politiker and not *ein Politiker / der Politike.
- Pfeifer says something similar about the adjective, but that doesn't really matter here, as it's: Latin -icus > (sometimes via some French -ique >) -isch. So with strong masc. nom. sg. of an adjective you would get *ein Politischer / der Politische. --Tybete (talk) 13:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Tybete I see. So you'd suggest to keep the -er in this etymology? Added Latin and Ancient Greek to the etymology of this entry.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Tybete I see. So you'd suggest to keep the -er in this etymology? Added Latin and Ancient Greek to the etymology of this entry.
- @Tybete Etymologische Wörterbuch des Deutschen states that Politiker comes from Latin politicus (so not Politik + -er), but doesn't go into greater detail, and both that dictionary and Kluge state politisch derives from (Middle) French.
- -icus is replaced by -isch, so politicus (adj.) would give politisch and as strong masc. nom. sg. politischer, which is different from Politiker. Replacing -us by -er or adding -er to another term makes more sense: (*)politicus (subst.) + -er or Politik + -er -- cp. Musiker, from Musik or Musikus/musicus (subst.). --Tybete (talk) 21:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)