User talk:Samwilson

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Userboxes

Please note that the Wiktionary community voted to ban userboxes. There are a numebr of good reasons for this, but I didn't begin to appreciate them until I'd been here for some time. (see WT:USER and Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-08/Babel_userboxes) Yours Conrad.Irwin 23:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, right. Sorry! Should've read the rules first… Thanks for bringing this to my attention. — Sam Wilson (Australia) 00:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

awful

Your edits to this page have been reverted. You seem to have intended them for the entry on (deprecated template usage) awfully, rather than for (deprecated template usage) awful. The quote you added did not include the word awful. --EncycloPetey 01:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've moved that quotation to 'awfully', but restored the second sense of 'awful' in the last definition: that it can be a positive expression should, I think, be mentioned. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 01:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how the two intensifying senses are different. In any case, we do not format entries with secondary indenting of numbered senses, as you have done. --EncycloPetey 01:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Right, good point. I've amalgamated the two and removed the secondary indenting (I was aiming at a layout that would designate the two definitions as related). — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 01:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

borné

Please note: Your contribution has been move to the appropriate namespace Citations:borné. The Citations: namespace exists precisely for the accumulation of supporting citations for words that do not yet have entries, or to supplement existing entries with evidence of use. --EncycloPetey 03:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (I appreciate your forebearance of a Wiktionary novice.) — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 13:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Formatting &c.

Hello! I'm glad to see somebody working on an aboriginal Australian language, as we dearly need it and I haven't gotten around to learning any. I just wanted to notify you of a couple changes I made regarding formatting, so you can learn from those. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah thank you indeed! Yes, I still feel like quite a newbie here :) so it's very nice to have some proper stuff pointed out to me. I'll go back over what I've done so far and fix anything up. We've got a few noongar sources at Wikisource, and I'm going to (slowly) work through them. — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 04:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Excellent. I presume the orthography is rather outdated, though; perhaps dictionaries like this one may be of help. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. The spellings can be updated with the modern ones (and I'll leave the old ones in as alternative forms)... it's just easier to start with public domain stuff. There's a dictionary by Douglas too, which has part-of-speech and other greater detail; I've not yet got a copy. Thanks for the link to Whitehurst -- I was going to go to the library for that; hadn't realised it was online. :) Is it okay to create RQ:* templates for these? Oh, and I'm also adding things to the Noongar incubator site (incubator:wt/nys). — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 07:04, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, it's just better to have the modern spellings as the lemma in the first place. Making RQ templates for those should be fine, although you may not want to link to a site that may take the content down for any reason. I can't find Douglas online, I'm afraid; maybe I'll try JSTOR later when my proxy is working (if that works, I can email the pdf to you, assuming you don't have JSTOR access yourself). And thanks for the work on the incubator as well! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:33, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

• Please note my changes at carcup (and ask if they don't make sense). I still don't fully understand the meaning of the term, though... —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Ah, yes, thank you! :) Of course — anything that can be replaced by its definition isn't non-gloss is it? I was confused earlier. :-) I'm meeting with some people who speak noongar this arvo, so shall ask about this entry too. Thanks for keeping an eye on me! hehe — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 07:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)