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But you came at a bad time. A lot of drama in the BP right now... —CodeCat 00:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I think my solution to that will be avoiding the BP, then. Really, all I know of what's happened in the last months is whatever template changes get posted on N4E. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


This is something from Star Trek (so might not meet WT:FICTION): see [1]. The word seems to occur in a very few other sci-fi/fantasy books, for similar devices. Equinox 17:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

A brief survey on BGC left me with the impression that it was more generic in nature than the Star Trek version, but I couldn't tell quite how generic, hence my inability to define it. I'm pretty sure it meets the policy, though. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


Could you please create the Latin entry? --WikiTiki89 18:47, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure how best to treat it. L&S only gives a quote from Pliny and decides to assume that it is the past participle of a verb camīnō, but it's so rare that it could just as easily be a one-off adjective, albeit one with an implicit verb that might just as easily exist if anyone else were to use a word this esoteric. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
So do you have any ideas for a possible definition it could have had? It has descendants with the meanings "chimney" and "room". --WikiTiki89 12:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I have never seen this word before; you can see what L&S say. I suppose that the semantic shift makes some sense. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


In retrospect I think you were right to suggest that inflected specific epithets may as well be treated as Latin. Requiring the extra steps of creating Translingual inflection-line templates seems silly. I am leaving the uninflected specific epithets and the genitive forms of pseudo-Latin (SB's term) personal surnames as Translingual. If there were a clear consensus for another solution, I would go that way, but the practical advantage for speeding proper Translingual entries with comprehensible specific epithet information, not present in any existing taxonomic databases that I've seen, seems substantial. I think there are databases, some fairly comprehensive, that have specific epithets, but they are not very convenient for casual users. DCDuring TALK 16:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I remain, like you (as far as I know), deeply sceptical of how we can handle Translingual entries without guidelines and demarcations clearer than those that exist at present. I haven't time to do much work on these matters any longer, nor will I for months, but if you create a vote or discussion and leave me a notification here, I will be happy to (briefly) critique, debate, or vote as the situation demands, if it can help lead us to a clear-cut solution on entries like this one. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:08, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Some features that reduce the risk are the presence of New Latin labels in many of the debatable Latin adjectives, the small number of Translingual adjectives, and the existence of categories marking entries as using or needing Latin or Translingual specific epithets. If necessary we could reverse almost all the choices made so far fairly quickly. Though I have worked on these for a while I don't really have a preference for the ultimate solution. DCDuring TALK 21:55, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

re: rollback to "kuri"[edit]

I came across alternative form "goorie" and couldn't find it in wiktionary but a Google search brings up lots of references linking it to kuri and "mongrel dog" Goadeff (talk)

The word goorie is never used in Māori; I do not know how or if it is used in other languages, but a Google search is not sufficient to prove its use for Wiktionary's purposes. Please do not add words in languages you are not comfortable with, and review WT:ATTEST for how we demonstrate that a word is inclusible. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
To elaborate a little: the spelling "goorie" looks like the way a native English-speaker who doesn't know anything about Maori would try to represent kuri: it's very easy to mistake a "k" without aspiration for a "g", and Maori "u" rhymes with English words that end in "oo". If you don't know Maori well enough to spot that, you're just spreading other people's mistakes. "Goorie" as an alternative spelling for kuri makes about as much sense as Sumisu for an alternative spelling of Smith, because that's how a native Japanese-speaker might spell it in our alphabet. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


A Google search has led me to believe that rebenyu may mean something in Tagalog. Since you have experience in Polynesian languages, I thought I'd ask you about it. --WikiTiki89 11:54, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

That's like asking you about a word in Albanian because of your expertise in Slavic languages: Tagalog is only very remotely related to anything Polynesian. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
A quick search leads me to believe it's a loan from English revenue. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
If there were no other Indo-Europen speakers around, the Albanian would be the right person to ask. Plus, I thought he'd appreciate the cross-linguistic pun. Anyway, thanks for the answer, it looks like you're right. --WikiTiki89 15:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I did take a look at studying Tagalog, and although I did like some parts of the language, overall the orthography and the syntax drove me mad. Tagalog has a lot of English and Spanish borrowings, and this word looks very much not autochthonous. But it seems Chuck already figured all that out. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Yiddish dialects[edit]

You and User:Angr may be interested in the Yiddish dialectal vowel table I added to Wiktionary:About Yiddish#Vowels. --WikiTiki89 14:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I like it, although I don't know enough to assess it all. We really ought to add those orange links, though. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
It's based on information given in Neil G. Jacobs (2005) Yiddish: A Linguistic Introduction, which I bought for some light reading. I'm thinking we could make a pronunciation generator based on this table, if only we had a reference for determining which group a vowel in a particular word belongs to, since etymology alone is not reliable enough. --WikiTiki89 22:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)