Wiktionary talk:About Chinese/tasks

@Justinrleung, Tooironic, Suzukaze-c, Atitarev, Dokurrat, Mar vin kaiser and others: I created this page to centralise some of the tasks for Chinese entries on Wiktionary. Please feel free to expand, add more things on to the list, or reformat. Thanks! Wyang (talk) 04:07, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Can someone put here the link to editing the regional pronunciations of Chinese characters in Mandarin (like Taiwan vs. Mainland)? Can't find it anymore. Thanks. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: it's MOD:zh/data/cmn-tag. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

JSON

I wonder if this shouldn't be a general multilingual wiki-wide project. —suzukaze (t・c) 02:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

It probably should be, spearheaded by the few technical people (otherwise these technical changes just won't happen). Wyang (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Error checking

I wonder if it might be better to do these sorts of things using external code and/or fancy Special:Searches instead of bloating the pronunciation modules (w:KISS principle). —suzukaze (t・c) 01:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

As long as these kinds of errors can be quickly dealt with, ideally by the creator, any method ― abuse filter, special tools, module error check function, anything would be good. Wyang (talk) 01:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Datian Min's Parameter

@Justinrleung, Mar vin kaiser

What would be our parameter for Datian Min? That could be tricky, when we take into account the fact, that "m" is for Mandarin and "md" is for Min Dong. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lo Ximiendo: Depending on how we want to classify Datian Min, it could be mn-d (if it's a dialect of Min Nan) or d/dm (if it's separate from Min Nan). As a side note, we barely have any info on this lect... it's not even in the dialectal synonyms tables yet. There are lects that are much higher on our priority list (like other varieties of Mandarin/Wu). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 14:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lo Ximiendo: Basically what Justinrleung said. If you can find info on Datian Min, then perhaps we can examine it and see if we can incorporate it to Wiktionary. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Other Chinese variants

@Justinrleung Hi, I'm just wondering what's stopping us from incorporating Chinese variants with known romanization systems into Wiktionary. Thanks! --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: From what we know, the issue is with work required to convert romanisations into IPA. Even known romanisations have been tweaked and normalised at Wiktionary, even reworked, if they are wrong but published sources used them. Wu Shanghainese romanisation and others have been completely recreated. That way you know that the transliteration is right. @Justinrleung you may have a better answer. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: Sorry for the late reply. (1) Technical problem - it's not that easy to make a module that converts romanizations into the right IPA. (2) Some romanizations may be outdated (especially those created by missionaries in the 19th century or something). (3) Modern grammars/descriptions disagree on the actual IPA values (especially for tones). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: How about for the dialects represented in 現代漢語方言大詞典? Each dictionary uses a semi-IPA phonetic transcription, so for dialects that have existing romanization like Hainanese, is it not as easy as matching the phonetic transcription to the existing romanization? Of course, I may not know of other considerations, so please excuse my ignorance in this topic. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Superscipt tone numbers in translations and other templates for lects that use them.

@Justinrleung, Suzukaze-c: Hi. Would you support superscipt tone numbers for Chinese varieties that use them, not only in Chinese entries but in generic templates. like {{t}}? Currently only Cantonese works in all templates. E.g. 笑 (yue) (siu³) but not any others, e.g. Gan 笑 (xieu⁴), Xiang 笑 (siau⁴), etc. User:Kc kennylau made this work.

(Also, I think Cantonese Jyutping with tone numbers should never be capitalised, please advise if this should be enforced. I've seen some usage examples with capital letters).

I've got another question, if I got your attention. In translations into Hakka, is it fair to use PFS only, if there are both readings? E.g. 笑 (seu) or there should be something long like 笑 (seu) (Sixian, PFS), 笑 (xiau⁴) (Meixian, Guangdong)? I have been using PFS, since it was much more available than the Guangdong Romanisation but the latter must be the more standard, prestige(?). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Re-pinging, just in case you missed. (I have posted in two topics in one edit). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Sorry for the late reply. The tone numbers should be automatically superscript now. As for the question on capitalization of Jyutping, I guess that needs to be fixed. For Hakka, I don't know what the best thing to do is. It's probably better to separate it like we do for Teochew/Hainanese/Hokkien under Min Nan. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Thanks for the new superscripts and your advice! --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)