Talk:-ствовать

@Guldrelokk: Hello. Your work on suffixes has reminded me of this. I think it should possibly be deleted too: isn't there always a -ство noun (often obsolete in Modern Russian) preceding the verb? There would be no need to posit this compound suffix -ствовать then.

Missing entries

Solved cases: see ru:Викисловарь:Лингвистические_и_лексикографические_вопросы/2017#нравственный

• долженствовать < obsolete долженство
• действовать < obsolete дѣиство (действо)

And also:

• нравственный < obsolete нравьство (нравство) (see also Talk:нравственный)
• собственный < obsolete собьство (собство))

Unsolved:

• бодрствовать < бодрство?
• властвовать < властво?
• заимствовать < заимство?
• здравствовать < здравство?
• мудрствовать < мудрство?
• ответствовать < ответство?
• повествовать < повество?
• приветствовать < приветство?
• присутствовать < присутство?
• способствовать < способство?
• умствовать < умство?
• участвовать < участво?
• шествовать < шество?

Plus:

• женственный < женство?

--Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

If it's kept we should probably add it to CAT:Russian rebracketings. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89, Benwing2, what do you think of this? --Per utramque cavernam 09:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam I don't think all words with -ствовать are derived originally from words with -ство. As in many other cases, it has been rebracketed into its own suffix. Adding it to CAT:Russian rebracketings is fine, though. Benwing2 (talk) 14:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Yes, it's possible, probable even. I just think we should clean the list to see which ones can't do without it. --Per utramque cavernam 21:10, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: That is fine with me. Benwing2 (talk) 02:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Guldrelokk Dunno if you got my first ping? Per utramque cavernam 09:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: No, sorry. бодрство, мудрство, шество are normal words. -умство and -имство are too, I have little doubt умство and заимство specifically existed. властво, здравство, ответство, приветство, присутство, способство are archaic or obsolete to varying degrees. Only участво and повество seem problematic: I’d guess участво existed, but it doesn’t readily show up in Google Books, and повество sounds especially weird.

долженство and especially действо aren’t obsolete either, only archaic. женственный indeed stems from obsolete женство.

I don’t think there is much need for -ствовать (-stvovatʹ), unless other cases be found. Guldrelokk (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)