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## Collocations must always be wrapped in either {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} or {{tl|coi}}. |
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# Create a policy page [[Wiktionary:Collocations]], analogous to [[Wiktionary:Example sentences]]. Therein, define in particular: |
# Create a policy page [[Wiktionary:Collocations]], analogous to [[Wiktionary:Example sentences]]. Therein, define in particular: |
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## A collocation is a group of words that occurs with much higher frequency than would be expected by chance. |
## A collocation is a group of words that occurs with much higher frequency than would be expected by chance. |
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## Collocations must always be wrapped in either {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} or {{tl|coi}}. |
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## Collocations may be either placed under the corresponding sense, after all nyms but before all example sentences, or under a separate <code>====Collocations====</code> header, either as a bulleted list (potentially after {{tl|s}}/{{tl|sense}} if necessary) or in a {{tl|der-top}} box. |
## Collocations may be either placed under the corresponding sense, after all nyms but before all example sentences, or under a separate <code>====Collocations====</code> header, either as a bulleted list (potentially after {{tl|s}}/{{tl|sense}} if necessary) or in a {{tl|der-top}} box. |
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## Collocations are (for the time being) only to be used for nouns and verbs. |
## Collocations are (for the time being) only to be used for nouns and verbs. |
Revision as of 23:49, 26 February 2022
Adding Collocations
Voting on: Providing the necessary infrastructure to greatly facilitate the documentation of collocations. In particular:
- Enforce the creation of
{{collocation}}
,{{co}}
and{{coi}}
, analogous to{{usex}}
,{{ux}}
and{{uxi}}
but with separate categories.1 - Add an L4 header
====Collocations====
to WT:EL between====Descendants====
and====Translations====
that may be used in any language. - Create a policy page Wiktionary:Collocations, analogous to Wiktionary:Example sentences. Therein, define in particular:
- A collocation is a group of words that occurs with much higher frequency than would be expected by chance.
- Collocations must always be wrapped in either
{{collocation}}
,{{co}}
or{{coi}}
. - Collocations may be either placed under the corresponding sense, after all nyms but before all example sentences, or under a separate
====Collocations====
header, either as a bulleted list (potentially after{{s}}
/{{sense}}
if necessary) or in a{{der-top}}
box. - Collocations are (for the time being) only to be used for nouns and verbs.
- Unlike example sentences, collocations must not be complete sentences.
- Collocations must be given in a lemmatized form, including the infinitive marker if applicable (English to, Romanian a etc.), including (prepositional) objects, potentially in parentheses if optional.
- Translations of non-English collocations should, if possible, be as idiomatic (sense 1) in English in possible and not literal.
1: A failure of the vote as always means that the status quo prior to the vote is upheld; in particular, this means that anybody is free to create and employ {{collocation}}
, {{co}}
and {{coi}}
as well as the categories, but nobody is forced to do so.
Rationale:
- Collocations are indispensable linguistic information. Collocations are of major importance in language learning to familiarize oneself with the idiomatic (sense 1) and natural mode of expression of a language.
- There is clear consensus among bilingual dictionaries on the internet that this information is very valuable. Compare our article for English verdict with dict.cc, leo.org, pons.com. Wiktionary is lagging behind; no, en.wiktionary is lagging behind, compare de:verdict (under "Charakteristische Wortkombinationen:").
- In German, there are multiple collocation dictionaries (e.g. https://kollokationenwoerterbuch.ch/web/dict/?article_id=640548) and major monolingual dictionaries also come with their own (statistically generated) list of "typical combinations" (e.g. https://www.dwds.de/wb/einjagen). The same is true for the major Romanian dictionary DEX (see e.g. mânca -> ro:mânca): Expressions like "A-și mânca credința (sau omenia, lefteria) = a-și pierde prestigiul, cinstea, creditul." would not survive as standalone articles on en.wikt per WT:SOP. It is also true for Alemannic: Schweizerisches Idiotikon for Schrëck lists collocations such as "En Schr. īnnin", "E(n) Schr. han."
- Contrary to our existing guidelines at WT:USEX ("Example sentences should: be grammatically complete sentences, beginning with a capital letter and ending with a period, question mark, or exclamation point. […] " (emphasis mine)), editors already frequently provide incomplete examples - collocations (see e.g. back: "back action", "to back a letter", "to back the oars"). Thus, this vote would amend our policies to be more in line with the de facto standard.
This vote has not yet started. It has been created to solicit advice on wording and fitness to purpose. Feedback and new ideas are highly encouraged! If you have not done so, please follow the discussion links for a better understanding of the topic. However, do not vote for any options at this time, as any premature votes may be struck. On the other hand, if the discussion is stagnant and there are no recent changes, anyone may choose to start this vote by properly listing it. Once the starting date has arrived, this banner may be ignored or removed.
Schedule:
- Vote starts: As soon as I'm satisfied with the proposal.
- Vote ends:
- Vote created: — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 14:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Discussion:
- Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2021/December § Collocations
- Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2021/December § Collocation criteria