Talk:Běijīng

"English"

Horsepuckey.

It's just some people using actual tonal pinyin with running English text. If we aren't as a matter of course adding "English" to every romanized tonal pinyin form, then no "English" doesn't belong here either. — LlywelynII 11:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII This is a really cool discussion. (@J3133 added these cites and I tweaked them a little.) I really don't know if this is part of English or not, but I tend to think that "some people using actual tonal pinyin with running English text" = English at some point, in a descriptivist worldview. Maybe proscribed. Maybe "wrong". Maybe needs to be classified in a special way. But I'm open-minded to the possibility that people are using the tonal spelling in English as English. But again, I see your point LlywelynII. But I can see J3133's point as well.
The word 'Běijīng' is not being put in parentheses in any of these cites. These cites (see Citations:Běijīng) for Běijīng are a difference in kind from a citation like the following, where the words in parentheses are not really meant as an English word:*

1994 July, Robert Storey, “South-West Taiwan”, in Taiwan - A Travel Survival Kit‎^[1], 3rd edition, Lonely Planet, →ISBN, →OCLC, →OL, page 241:

In the suburb of Tsoying (zuǒyíng) are two magnificent temples within a 10-minute walk of each other. Both are on the shore of a lake. The Spring Autumn Temple (chūn qiū gé) has a unique design and includes two pagodas that extend into the lake.

--Geographyinitiative (talk) 11:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC) (Modified)

@Geographyinitiative, LlywelynII: Since this is controversial, it cannot be removed without a RfD as LlywelynII did. J3133 (talk) 11:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

But it isn't controversial. It's just ridiculous. Geographyinitiative would be fine with including ”English" alongside every pinyin entry because he doesn't care and loves learning about China.

This is just gatekeeping/ownership, given that you took the time to get some cites. I can also get cites of random words being used with tones, but none of the admins actually wants to spam "English" repetitions of the tonal pinyin entries. — LlywelynII 12:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)