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Again, welcome! — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 06:23, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


Please be careful with your formatting. For making new Chinese character pages, you can copy the translingual info from Thai Wiktionary, and change Thai words into English (ข้ามภาษา ⇒ Translingual; อักษรจีน ⇒ Han character; อ้างอิง ⇒ References). For Chinese definitions, you can take a look at Guoxuedashi; it's best not to use the definitions right off the site, but you can use the definitions from the scanned dictionaries. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 23:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Chinese entries[edit]

Hi, please check out {{zh-n}} for the entry layout for Chinese entries. It also (usually) generates Pinyin automatically. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 12:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks --Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Copy-pasting content from wiki to wiki[edit]

This is not an acceptable way to create entries, and it is why you are making mistakes. Please stop doing this. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:52, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


You might be interested in Talk:Cookie. —Suzukaze-c 05:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

水杉 and other recent entries[edit]

You haven't listened to anything you've been told about formatting, or even made much of an effort to try. This is unacceptable. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC

My ability to make a successful edit is limited when using mobile. I made the most basic edit possible. There is no error on the page. Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
That's not good enough. If you can't make a successful edit on a mobile device, don't do it (I only edit on a computer myself). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:30, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
What error is there on the page? It’s a very informative stub. Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
It's formatting:
  • The noun header must be level 3 (===Noun===).
  • There must be a header template under the part of speech header ({{zh-noun}} in this case).
  • For Chinese entries, a {{zh-forms}} is always required.
  • For Chinese entries, a pronunciation template is almost always required.
All of this formatting can be achieved automatically with {{zh-new}}. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I think I finally figured out what you are saying. I used zh-new on this page: 原種 Is this right? Is there a way to automatically add the simplified form??? Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
You can just use {{subst:zh-new}} to create the simplified form. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 05:03, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, please add in the definition. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 05:04, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey Μετάknowledge and Justinrleung: Is there a way to connect the Chinese language boxes on the wikipedia pages with wiktionary? For instance, if I wanted to connect the Chinese language sidebox on the w:Wuhan page directly to wiktionary's Wuhan and/or 武汉, is there any way to do that? Would that be a good idea if it were even possible? --Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Like this? —Suzukaze-c 17:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


I'm using the Hanazono font. You can get it from here:


[1] is probably what you like.--Zcreator alt (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


If you're going to be adding a lot of these, I would recommend making a template, similar to those in Category:Chinese reference templates ;) —Suzukaze-c 00:42, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Please just use {{zh-ref}} and add them to Wiktionary:About Chinese/references. An excessively long list of references is distracting in a dictionary entry. Wyang (talk) 00:53, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
I suppose so, but it's at the end of the entry anyway. It's comparatively easier to ignore, unlike lists of synonyms or massive etymologies. There's also no other way to add a reference for a specific pronunciation. —Suzukaze-c 01:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
It can be added by a note: |..._note=Per {{zh-ref|...}}. Wyang (talk) 01:04, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
I will check this out fully before I add any more references. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


Hi there. Could you fix the pinyin on this page? We do not indicate erhuayin as the default reading for entries without 兒. It should look something like 好玩. ---> Tooironic (talk) 00:07, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I see your point. I have made the changes so that the formatting parallels the way it is written on 好玩. Sorry for causing trouble! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
No worries. Cheers. ---> Tooironic (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
@Tooironic xiāngbalǎor Acceptable? --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Looks good to me. ---> Tooironic (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Entries with no definitions (like 小奶狗)[edit]

Hi, if you don't know the definition of a word, it's probably better to request the word to be added at WT:Requested entries (Chinese) rather than creating an essentially empty entry. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:06, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I will use WT:Requested entries (Chinese) for words that I can't give a good definition for. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@Justinrleung I tried to come up with a definition of Xiaonaigou based on my understanding. I feel like it could be way better than it is, but I don't really know exactly how to describe the concept. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 11:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


You can use {{delete}} instead of {{rfd}} when you create something in error. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 21:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


If this really is an administrative division, please add the relevant sense. Thank you. ---> Tooironic (talk) 23:58, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. 农场 is a administrative division name in the same sense that 開發區 is a type of administrative division: it is (probably) an abbreviation of a longer title. I can't be certain about the full name of the 农场 divisions at this time- it could be 农场管理区- but I do know that amongst the township-level divisions (乡镇街道) of a given area in China, there are sometimes included one or two 农场, 林場, 风景区, 原種場, etc. In my experience, these areas were counted separately on the 2010 Census, sometimes appear as separate entities on maps and seem to me to be legitimate township-level divisions. If you search for the simplified form of '农场' on English wikipedia, you will see a bunch of them. If you search for '农场管理区' on baidu baike, you will see some too. If you need more information or clearer evidence, let me know. I didn't add a new sense when I added 林場 and 原種場 as administrative divisions, so therefore I didn't add a new sense to 农场- but I am open to adding new senses. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


什麼鬼!! Equinox 01:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Where are you from, en-N Chinglish? Are you from Singapore? Equinox 01:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


It's not advisable to create redirects here in Wiktionary. I made your entries into redirects because the pages were already made. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 05:12, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Based on the advice you have given me, I will not actively create redirects in Wiktionary. Thanks for your assistance. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 05:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


We consider 主義 a suffix and thus put the pinyin at the end of the term with no space. Please see the various derived terms. ---> Tooironic (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tooironic: As this dictionary becomes more refined over the decades, I hope that all the different and strange forms of pinyin, postal romanization, Wade Giles etc. will find a home here. It can be the ultimate dictionary. If right now everyone here believes that there must be no space between an ideology's name and zhuyi, then I guess that that's that. The only question is: at what point is the pinyin format in which there is a space between an ideology's name and zhuyi (which has a documented history dating at least to the 1970's) going to become relevant- 2020? 2030? 2040? Here it is, I looked it up: 现代汉语词典7 p779 "làngmàn zhǔyì"; 现代汉语规范词典3 p789 "làngmàn zhǔyì"; 现代汉语词典试用本 p604 "làngmàn zhǔyì"; 汉语拼音正词法基本规则 5.6 example for 'dialectical materialism' “biànzhèng-wéiwù zhǔyì 辩证唯物主义". If you look at the history, on 2016年11月11號, en.wiktionary itself automatically generated the form of the pinyin "làngmàn zhǔyì" for the then-new entry "浪漫主義". I'm not saying anything is right or wrong; I'm just looking at what I see on the page. I'm okay with whatever conclusions you come to. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't mind whether we include a space or not, or even a hyphen, just that we do include the pinyin in some form as I believe it is helpful for users (not everyone agrees with me on this). I just think we should be consistent about the formatting, and so far we have not included spaces for suffix entries. If you think all the zhuyi should have a space you could build consensus with the community first and then change all the entries en masse. There are a lot of them. ---> Tooironic (talk) 13:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Tooironic: The reason I undid your edit is that I do not have any evidence or even experience of a situation in which not including the space before zhuyi was considered a historically grounded, real and standard Pinyin suitable for a dictionary. Is there anything in Taiwan or in the scholarly journals that calls for excluding the space there when it is presented in a dictionary? Perhaps the suffix argument is thought to reflect or derive from a popular but unwritten sentiment? Obviously no one can disagree about the need for consistency of formatting, but the present situation is far from consistent- see 浪漫主義, 民生主義, 個人主義, 民權主義, 加爾文主義, 唯美主義, 存在主義 etc. The inconsistency I observe here means to me: 'no consensus was ever reached and the dictionary is in a state of chaos'. When I see the other entries which lack a space before zhuyi, I just consider it a gross error. It is eye-opening to me that discussion is needed on the topic, but I am willing and eager learn about these types of nuances. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
A quick look at the derived terms reveals the vast majority don't have spaces. I've been editing here for over 8 years and I recall pinyin 主義 entries have always been without spaces, though some recent ones may not have been edited that way. Why don't you raise a discussion on this with the other Chinese-language editors so a policy can be settled? ---> Tooironic (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Geographyinitiative: I don't want to cause so much trouble -- I don't want to get into heated discussion about editing -- I think that the alternative Pinyin forms I am talking about could one day be added here without excluding the current pinyin forms -- It doesn't matter that much -- It's a secondary or tertiary goal in my scheme of thinking --Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


Perhaps you might like to link to the Wikisource transcription: 漢字簡化方案. —Suzukaze-c 07:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c, Justinrleung: I have attempted to implement the proposed idea on the page , & I like it a lot~ is it okay? --Geographyinitiative (talk) 07:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Sure ^^ —Suzukaze-c 08:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


The riddle doesn't really show any meaning of 淶, so I don't think it should be directly in the entry. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 07:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung I 100% understand your perspective; you are right. But at the time I edited it, I thought that maybe the example might be useful despite the fact that it doesn't use the meaning of the word in the example. I believe that this riddle/mind-bender is somewhat well-known and reflects authentic usage of the character in Mandarin Chinese. If you aren't swayed by this argument, then I will take it down. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Quotations are used to illustrate the definitions. If you can't put a definition that corresponds to the quotation, it's not a good idea to have it in the entry itself. See WT:Quotations. I think it can at best be put in the Citations page for reference. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 08:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@Justinrleung Understood; done. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)