Appendix talk:Hungarian postpositions

Forms derived from körül

In addition to the körülem, körüled, körüle etc. forms, are körülöttem, körülötted, körülötte etc. not also used? The wiktionary page for körül actually lists only the "körülötte" forms, körülötte states that it means "around him/her/it" and Arcanum lists both the "körüle" and "körülötte" forms. Hence, should there be an additional row in Inflection Table 1?

körül

at around

körülöttem énkörülöttem

körülötted tekörülötted

körülötte őkörülötte

körülöttünk mikörülöttünk

körülöttetek tikörülöttetek

körülöttük őkörülöttük

(I'm not adding it myself, as I'm extremely far from confident in my understanding of Hungarian grammar.) Gephyra (talk) 14:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@Gephyra: Thank you for bringing this up. The table might be a little confusing. According to Hungarian dictionaries, postpositions such as körül are actually not declined, the adverbs körüle and körülötte are declined. These two adverbs are synonyms, but körüle is archaic. The adverb körüle was derived from the postposition by adding the possessive suffix -e. I was planning to make changes to all postpositions and remove the declension and add it to the adverbs but I haven't finished it. Maybe we should also think about a better representation in the Appendix. @Adam78: Would you share your thoughts on this? Thanks. Panda10 (talk) 16:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Dead links in English references

Two of the English references were dead links:

1. Éva Dékány: The nanosyntax of Hungarian postpositions
2. Veronika Hegedűs: Hungarian spatial PPs

www.hum.uit.no appears to be permanently down and the two papers don't seem to be elsewhere on uit.no.

Hence, I've updated the links to the doi links: https://doi.org/10.7557/12.219 and https://doi.org/10.7557/12.82 which should always work. They resolve to an open-access journal, so the PDFs are freely available.

I'm 99 % sure that these are the correct papers, as the titles, authors and abstracts (from the web archive (1 2)) are identical, but since the original PDFs aren't on the web archive, I'm not 100 % sure, so I'm leaving this note for reference. Gephyra (talk) 19:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for updating the links. They are the correct papers. Panda10 (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming! Also, thank you very much for writing and maintaining this rather useful page! Gephyra (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)