Module talk:es-conj

RFM discussion: March 2020–March 2021

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Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-izar

If I'm posting this on the wrong request page, I'd greatly appreciate redirection.

Ideally, this module should split into three: -izar, -aizar, and -eizar. As it is currently, this module generates orthographically incorrect conjugations for three verbs.

This module is currently used for five verbs: academizar, enraizar, europeizar, plurinacionalizar, and tematizar. But it is fully correct for only two of them: enraizar and europeizar. For the other three verbs (academizar, plurinacionalizar, and tematizar), it generates incorrect "í"s where "i"s are warranted. This stems from the rules of stress placement in Spanish, which hold that an "i" immediately after a vowel does not receive stress unless expressly indicated with an acute accent; for the three incorrectly-conjugated verbs, this results in unnecessary acute accents.

Put another way: this module generates the two correct conjugations: enraízo and europeízo; and three incorrect conjugations: academízo, plurinacionalízo, and tematízo; the three incorrect ones should read: academizo, plurinacionalizo, and tematizo

As a solution, I propose that enraizar link to a new module, -aizar; and that europeizar link to a new module, -eizar; both of which will retain the acute accents. -izar, in turn, will have extraneous acute accents removed, and will remain the linked module for academizar, plurinacionalizar, and tematizar.

An editor will see that I began this process, but reverted my edits because I ran into difficulties correctly formatting the new Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-eizar module. For a more capable and savvy editor, however, this will likely be fairly simple. --Zhanmusi (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

What problems did you have? You should add new modules to Module:es-conj/data/paradigms (I have added -eizar). DTLHS (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@Zhanmusi, DTLHS I fixed the three verbs that were broken (academizar, plurinacionalizar, and tematizar). The existing Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-zar works fine for them. I also deleted Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-eizar, which isn't needed, as Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-izar works fine. Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-izar is misnamed and should be generalized to Module:es-conj/data/-ar/-zar (i-í) eventually, although before that happens I may end up rewriting the conjugation module entirely and making it smarter so you don't have to explicitly specify predictable alternations like marcar → marqué. Benwing2 (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Planning to delete this module

@DTLHS I have written a new Spanish conjugation module Module:es-verb and converted all Spanish verbs to use it, using {{es-conj}}. Do you mind if I delete this module and associated templates? Benwing2 (talk) 04:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

No I don't mind. DTLHS (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@DTLHS BTW if you are planning on running your bot to add entries for Spanish verb forms in the future, I can show you how to call into the new module to get the verb forms for a given verb. The current output is a simple non-JSON format but I can have it output JSON as well if you'd rather. Benwing2 (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. Are you going to be doing anything with the actual verb form pages? DTLHS (talk) 21:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)