Module talk:zh/data/dial-syn/翅膀
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Justinrleung in topic Dungan
Dungan
[edit]@Atitarev I'm pretty sure the Dungan-Russian dictionary is only for the Gansu dialect of Dungan, not the Shaanxi dialect. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 07:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: OK, how do you know? Sorry if it's a silly question. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: The Gansu dialect is the basis of standard written Dungan. I don't know Russian, but I would assume the dictionary is based on standard written Dungan. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 07:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: OK, thanks. So any term in that dictionary could be added under "Gansu-DG"? What is your position on Dungan terms where there is no hanzi (of Russian, Turkic or Arabic origin) or they are unknown? Could they still be added to the dialectal modules? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Yes, I've been putting terms from that dictionary to "Gansu-DG" (and not to "Shaanxi-DG"). For terms without hanzi, especially those of non-Chinese origin, I'd put the Cyrillic in. That said, there are some Chinese sources that have hanzi even for Russian, Turkic and Arabic loans, e.g. 帕麼多 or 帕麼得 for памдар (tomato), 皮牙子 for пиязы (onion), 都哇兒 or 都瓦兒 for дўвар (prayer). — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 07:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I guess we can use those hanzi spellings but we may have hard time verifying them outside the dictionary use. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Yes, that's true. I would definitely not create a hanzi entry for those terms. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 04:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: To me they look like transcriptions into Chinese. You did use 帕麼多" in Module:zh/data/dial-syn/番茄, though. :) Cyrillic Dungan itself is not very attestable. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Yeah, pretty much. I use them in the templates but do not plan on making actual entries for them. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 04:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: To me they look like transcriptions into Chinese. You did use 帕麼多" in Module:zh/data/dial-syn/番茄, though. :) Cyrillic Dungan itself is not very attestable. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Yes, that's true. I would definitely not create a hanzi entry for those terms. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 04:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I guess we can use those hanzi spellings but we may have hard time verifying them outside the dictionary use. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Yes, I've been putting terms from that dictionary to "Gansu-DG" (and not to "Shaanxi-DG"). For terms without hanzi, especially those of non-Chinese origin, I'd put the Cyrillic in. That said, there are some Chinese sources that have hanzi even for Russian, Turkic and Arabic loans, e.g. 帕麼多 or 帕麼得 for памдар (tomato), 皮牙子 for пиязы (onion), 都哇兒 or 都瓦兒 for дўвар (prayer). — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 07:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: OK, thanks. So any term in that dictionary could be added under "Gansu-DG"? What is your position on Dungan terms where there is no hanzi (of Russian, Turkic or Arabic origin) or they are unknown? Could they still be added to the dialectal modules? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: The Gansu dialect is the basis of standard written Dungan. I don't know Russian, but I would assume the dictionary is based on standard written Dungan. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 07:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)