Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/Harjabrandaz
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@Mnemosientje The name is attested in Old Norse as Herbrandr. Although it may have been borrowed from more southern dialects, there is no way to say and it might just as well have been inherited from Proto-Germanic. ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 06:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mårtensås: I strongly disagree that it might just as well have been inherited - it seems a very likely case of northward diffusion during late antiquity/the early middle ages, given what is known about the spread of early Germanic heroic poetry - but within the norms used on Wiktionary you are right, since you added the ON descendant there is a rationale to keep it and I will close the RFD. Could you also have a look at Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Non-English#Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/Haþuwulfaz?
- Thanks for the correction on *brandaz btw, I was unaware of the OE poetic meaning. Still very likely a post-PGmc development imo, but it's better to err on the side of inclusion in this case. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 08:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that it was very unlikely to be present in Proto-Germanic, it seems like Migration Period cultural diffusion like you say. Of course the division between West and North Germanic is not a clear branch split where the two permanently lost contact after a certain period. ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 08:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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Proto-Germanic. Only attested quite late, and then only in a very specific area of the Germanic Sprachraum; effectively only one descendant (the Latin borrowing is not from Proto-Germanic, the forms are likely from High German and Frankish instead). No reason to reconstruct this as PGmc; the Hildebrand legend is likely a Germanic Heroic Age-era thing at the earliest, any earlier claims are speculative. A PWGmc reconstruction would be possible, I suppose. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 20:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- RFD rescinded, as an ON descendant has been added. I still think the name is probably post-PGmc, but see the discussion at Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/Harjabrandaz; I suppose it's better to err on the side of inclusion. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)