Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/h₁wed-

Proto-Slavic věno and Proto-Germanic wetmô are currently being claimed by both the root Proto-Indo-European *h₁wed- (“dowry”) and the root Proto-Indo-European *wedʰ- (“bind, secure, pledge, lead”). --Caoimhin (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, how? This looks extremely dodgy and partial to a Leiden citation cartel. I have looked into Kroonen, Derksen and Beekes, and little justification is given. Why the laryngeal? Why *dʰ?. Kroonen is also unsure: “the PIE root was *h₁ued- rather than *h₁uedʰ-.” Beekes writes “on the aspiration, see Schwyzer: 227”, which can’t be from the age of laryngeal theory, and speaks of a “prothesis” (himself in talking marks) *h₁- (does one know more about this prothesis?). Apparently it only has this “prothesis” because there is a Greek variant ἔεδνᾰ (éedna) for ἕδνᾰ (hédna). He himself admits “this old word for ‘bride-price’ is often derived from […] *uedʰ-”. Then claiming it “impossible because of the *dʰ”, yet to be proven. The semantic connection to *wedʰ- is strong and any consonant discrepancy may be just because of assimilation to the suffix. And this extreme splitting is based on a single rare Greek variant, as often, which may be due to a prefix, or with Gustav Meyer a digamma-induced prothesis, so all are actually parallel (not “old” in Indo-European terms) formations due to the continued meaning of the PIE “leading” root and idea. @Victar. Fay Freak (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I think having two separate roots is warranted, one *wedʰ- (“to lead”) and another, *h₁wed- (“to join; to wed”). The semantics of merging them is dodgier, IMO. The Slavic -d- is explained as Winter's Law by Kloekhorst. Iranian has a few descendants which can fall under here, which I'll add. --{{victar|talk}} 23:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Victar: Okay, if there is more then it makes more sense, because a meaning being extremely specific for a root (there being varying interpretations of the suffixes) is also what attracts suspicion. If English wed is still not from this root then the distant comparison at the English page with Sanskrit वधू (vadhū́, “bride”) must be removed, unless from *wedʰ-. Fay Freak (talk) 23:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)