Reconstruction talk:Proto-Iranian/wabžáH

@Ariamihr, Victar, Calak, what is the source of the appurtenance of the Kurdish forms and of the moz < *bōz < *bawz < *wabz chain? The two referenced works do not discuss the Kurdish. Cabolov I, p. 682 postulates a different origin, not that it is reliable. Also, Cabolov mentions Zazaki mozi as a cognate. I find only moza ‘a kind of fly’ in a dictionary. What is the correct form and meaning? --Vahag (talk) 15:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vahag: It has no source you can delete it (Kurdish m < b < *w and ō < aw developments are very common). It means hornet, wasp. I don't know anything about Zazaki form (you can find moz here).--Calak (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@Calak: I like that etymology. That would mean dialectal Armenian մոզ (moz) is a borrowing. Probably from Northern Kurdish due to its geographical distribution. --Vahag (talk) 20:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I've updated the entry. --Victar (talk) 04:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@vahagn Petrosyan: I agree with you about this changing chain , and I don't know what are references talking about it. I know the Iranian languages need more studies and we most find another words to define this chain. So are you check this word in the Kurdish (Kurmanji) Wiktionary? --aria

@ariamihr: the Kurdish Wiktionary has the same chain without references. --Vahag (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

For m < b < *w compare Kurdish, Persian بیشه (biše), Middle Persian [script needed] (wyšk' /⁠wēšag⁠/).

ō < aw is a common development in many languages, compare Central Kurdish کۆن (kon, “old”) beside کەونار (kewnar, “ancient”).

--Calak (talk) 08:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)