Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/nenpuru

nay- portion

@Chuterix, what reason do you have for reconstructing 寝 (ne) as *nay-? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 23:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

While usually it's hard to tell whether OJ syllable ne goes back to *ne, *nay or *nia, but the ultimate answer to this is that *n-ay- is that it's a conjugation of 寝 (nu). Usually for shimo nidan verbs the infinitive stem is -e₂-, never -e₁-. Chuterix (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, hmm, interesting, thank you. The /ne/ man'yōgana apparently don't distinguish. Digging around in the MYS, I did find poem 10.2023 using the spelling 左尼始而 for sane somete, using 尼 for ne. Confusingly, this is used for di, ni, and ne, and the Middle Chinese phonetics suggest a stronger leaning towards ni, suggestive of ne₁ if such a thing existed.

What I've found for other 下二段 verbs seems scattershot. See tuke₁te for verb 付けて in MYS 20.4366, spelled as 都祁弖 (tuke₁te, where 弖 is of unclear 甲乙 value). That said, I think books 14 and 20 contain mostly Eastern, so perhaps that's the reason for the /e₁/?

I've run out of time to spend on this for now.  :) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 02:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)