Reconstruction talk:Proto-Turkic/yāĺ

Proto Mongolic *nasun

Hey @Crom daba thanks for taking care of the Mongolic words. What do you think of the Mongolic suffixes -sun, -dun, -xun etc... cancelling consonant clusters? It seems that I cant find Mongolic words in the form of -CdVn, -CxVn, -CsVn.

For example *si-dün looks like it may be from earlier *sil-dün and therefore comparable to PT *sīĺ ("tooth"). Some similar fishy words are *usun, ?*susun (?< *sub-sun), *sün, ?*süsün (?<süt-sün). For example in the entry *casun, you mention *cabsun. Any examples with regular clusters in this case? --Anylai (talk) 20:43, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a number of words that vary in form between *-RsUn and *-sUn among descendants, the usual pattern is that Gansu-Qinghai languages, Middle Mongol and sometimes Buryat have *-RsUn while others have *-sUn in which case we can safely reconstruct *-RsUn, *mölsün (“ice”)) being the most famous example. but occasionally we have *-RsUn in GQ with no support in Middle Mongol which means that either both variants date to Proto-Mongolic times or some cases of GQ have spurious clusters. However there is no **nalsun in neither Middle Mongol nor GQ so I wouldn't consider it a strong possibility.

Here's a map of permissible clusters in (Middle) Mongolian according to Clauson (from Studies in Turkic and Mongolic Linguistics), it's not completely accurate (I'm afraid Clauson's work on Mongolic is not quite as good as on Turkic) but it should give you a rough idea. If you want to test some phonotactic hypotheses on Mongolian, Lingua Mongolia has a dictionary (Lessing) search that allows regex queries.

Also *-Cx- clusters in general are not possible, here's why. There are some suffixes that alternate between *x and other consonants depending on whether they're attached to a vowel or a consonant stem. Examples are -уурь vs. -вар or -аах vs. -гах. Crom daba (talk) 21:59, 14 April 2018 (UTC)