Talk:жадать

@Cinemantique Are you sure the past pasv participle is жада́нный not жа́данный? Benwing2 (talk) 18:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

[1] [2] both show жада́нный. However, these are dictionaries of regional and colloquial language, so if this word were in the standard language, it is possible that it could have been stressed differently. Is there a reason you think it should have been жа́данный? --WikiTiki89 18:10, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: Thanks. The normal rules for constructing PPP's would call for жа́данный; there are very few participles stressed as -а́нный or -я́нный. Benwing2 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Really? Even when the entire rest of the conjugation is stressed on that syllable? --WikiTiki89 19:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes. It specifically says this on p. 86: 1. Глаголы на -ать и -ять (кроме типа 14) образуют это причастие добавлением -нный к основе инфинитива. Ударение: если инфинитив неодносложен и имеет ударение на последнем слоге - на один слог левее, чем в инфинитиве; в прочих случаях ударение как в инфинитиве. This also applies to type 3 (-нуть) and type 10 (-олоть, -ороть), plus type 5 in -еть. Footnote 4 further says Причастия на -а́нный, -я́нный очень немногочисленны. Это, во-первых, причастия от глаголов на -ать, -ять с пометой ⑦ .... Во-вторых, это причастия (в большинстве случаев неупотребительные) от односложных глаголов ..... Benwing2 (talk) 22:40, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I wonder if this is correlated with the existence of the -ывать/-ивать form. For example, разы́гранный (razýgrannyj) and разы́грывать (razýgryvatʹ) are stressed on the same syllable. I'm going to take a wild guess that (looking only at the stem and ignoring any prefixes) any verb that has an -а́нный/-я́нный PPP does not have any -ывать/-ивать forms. --WikiTiki89 23:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC)