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What's going on here? If we have a citation page, shouldn't we link to it? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

We link to it in the tab at the top. Anyway, it looked out of place, maybe it's supposed to be indented under the definition line? Maybe I should have fixed it, but I personally don't think this template is ever necessary. --WikiTiki89 16:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
A lot of people, myself included, tend not to notice the Citations tab, or not to notice whether it's red or blue. I use this template all the time. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Angr here; I would completely miss the Citations tab without a template like this drawing attention to it. Benwing2 (talk) 22:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I didn't plan on starting an argument here about this, but since you're pressuring me... If you are specifically looking for citations, then you would presumably check whether the citations tab is blue. If you are not explicitly looking for citations, then the citations chosen to be in the entry itself should suffice. The citations tab is not meant to be in place of citations in the entry itself, but only to host additional citations, or citations that are not good examples of the term's usage and thus would not be useful on the page itself. In short, if we want readers to see a citation, we should include it in the entry itself. --WikiTiki89 23:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
It wasn't my intention to pressure you, just to express an opinion. Benwing2 (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
It is my nature to feel compelled to counterbalance arguments. --WikiTiki89 01:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

New Verb added[edit]

I added an entry for the Hebrew verb סגד ‎(sagád), so feel free to expand it. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm going to hold off on adding the conjugation until the module is finished. By the way, I see you've noticed the awesomeness of the templates I created for Judeo-Tat. --WikiTiki89 23:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Conjugation issues[edit]

I'd like to add more verbs at this point, but I still don't fully know how to use the conjugation template for the verbs that it does support. So this is a plea to finish the documentation, and most pressingly, to fix the tables at גיין ‎(geyn) and טאָן ‎(ton), which give incorrect mir/zey forms (they should be גייען ‎(geyen) and טוען ‎(tuen) respectively). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

You really should ask these questions, because there was an easier way of doing this. Also, didn't know that that was the case, I had thought the tables were correct. But some quick googling shows you are right. --WikiTiki89 16:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's what documentation is for. Anyway, I've been leaving technical requests to you here, at template talk pages, and elsewhere — is there a centralised location or thread that you'd prefer me to put them in? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I've been meaning to expand the documentation, but haven't gotten around to it. The most convenient place for technical requests would be the talkpage of the relevant module (Module talk:yi-verb for conjugations, Module talk:yi-headword for headword templates for all parts of speech). --WikiTiki89 20:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, Module talk:yi-adjective for the future declension module, which I have some questions about: Do you know whether there is a rule as to why it's דעם נײַעם, but דעם בלויען? --WikiTiki89 20:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I await the adjective module excitedly! In that case, bloy is the rule, and nay is the exception (and, to the best of my knowledge, the only exception there is). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I previously thought that nay was the rule. --WikiTiki89 20:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Can you look over User:Wikitiki89/yi-adj-test? I specifically have the following questions:

  • Layout:
    • Was it a good idea to merge the cells of identical forms?
    • Was it a good idea to re-order genders to m/n/f rather than m/f/n? I did this because neuter has similarities with masculine and with feminine and so it naturally belongs between them.
    • Is the neuter column to wide?
    • Do you like the layout of possessives in relation to regular adjectives?
  • Forms:
    • Do all n-final adjectives have -em endings?
    • Should it be לאַנגן and קראַנקן or לאַנגען and קראַנקען, or should this be decided on a case-by-case basis?
    • What are the postpositive/nominalized neuter forms of adjectives that end in -s, -ts, and -z? For now, I have just assumed that they are the same as the lemma/predicative/neuter indefinite.

--WikiTiki89 23:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't care deeply about layout; they are clear, and that is enough for me. If I had to make a criticism, I would say that the horizontal bar separating the predicative from the sections below is superfluous and mildly distracting. The reördering of genders is fine, although nontraditional. I think that @Angr might have opinions on layout, though.
As for morphology: yes, always -en, and you are correct. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: In that case, I have created the templates {{yi-decl}} and {{yi-decl-poss}} and they can be used now. Another question I had but forgot to ask, was how do you decline schwa-final adjectives? The table at ראָזעווע ‎(rozeve), for example, is clearly wrong. --WikiTiki89 00:36, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The rules for when the adjectives ends in a vowel depends on whether that vowel is stressed. If it is, follow bloy; if not, as in rozeve, I believe that the forms are rozevn, rozever, rozeve, and rozeves. However, I can't find an explicit mention of this, so if you want to wait a day or two just to be 100% sure, I can ask a native speaker. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:30, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, sorry that I was evidently wrong regarding -tss and -zs. They look horribly wrong to me, but I guess that I was mistaken. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't have any particular opinions on layout. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 06:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: Also, נײַס and בלויס or נײַעס and בלויעס? --WikiTiki89 14:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The former. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:43, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


I completely disagree with you, my edit is intended to create consistency across all of the similar definitions within the site. Please also note that reversion is intended for vandalism and obvious errors, you should not use it to undo someone else's work simply because you disagree with them; That is what talk pages are for. - TheDaveRoss 22:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Back at ya. Anyway, Massachusetts is called the "Commonwealth of Massachusetts", not the "State of Massachusetts", the context tag is wrong, because even outside of the US, Boston means can refer to "Boston, Massachusetts". There's nothing wrong with saying "capital and largest city" if it is both. The US is usually referred to as "the United States" rather than "the United States of America". A capital city is "of" something, not "for" something. There is nothing wrong with adding additional information that may not apply to other cities, like "informal capital of New England". And I still don't get why you removed the poem, even if it was not formatted correctly. --WikiTiki89 22:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you about the "of" vs. "for", that was an oversight on the line I was pasting. I will go back and fix those. The rest of your comments seem to be critique for the sake of critique. Context tags are not merely do describe the geographic region in which a word means a particular thing, although that is one of their uses. When "baseball" is used it is not because a word only means something on the baseball field or when said by baseball players. I am sure you are aware that Massachusetts is a state, I understand that not all states in the United States have the formal name "State of...", however all fifty states are certainly referred to as "the state of...". There is nothing wrong with including extra information like "largest city", nor is there anything wrong with including population or founding date or local sports teams, but since that sort of information makes an entry more and more encyclopedic we are allowed to make editorial decisions. I made a similar decision about United States of America instead of the numerous other iterations, it is not wrong. The poem was uncited and not a great example of the usage of the word, if you have strong feelings about keeping it I have no qualms with that. It is my preference that the definitions for sets of things be in accord with one another, before yesterday the definitions of US state capitals were extremely varied. - TheDaveRoss 13:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your effort to standardise the definitions, but that’s misuse of context labels. Des Moines, Atlanta, et al. are not words limited to American English; these cities have the exact same name in English varieties spoken elsewhere. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


This has module errors when it's converted by bot to use {{m}} and {{l}}. I'm not sure why this entry uses the syntax 1=3, so I'm not sure how to change it. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: It does not use "1=3". It is just an error caused by Right-To-Left writing system. And the module error is caused by the "1=" syntax. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea why the parameters were entered in such a strange way, but I have fixed it. --WikiTiki89 15:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mobile edits[edit]

Hello. I noticed your edits to ноль-ноль were tagged as mobile edits and included adding Cyrillic characters. I've tried editing Wiktionary from an iPhone 5S with Safari and found the interface nearly unusable. Worst thing was that the keyboard was obscuring the edit area so I couldn't see what I was typing, and positioning the cursor was almost impossible. Which phone are you using and did you have to do anything special? Benwing2 (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

iPhone 6S with Google Chrome (probably not much different from Safari). The interface is definitely buggy, but if you try hard enough it works. When the keyboard is hiding the cursor, I type a character and press backspace and it adjusts the view. When the selection isn't working I essentially just mash the screen until it works. Sometimes the landscape view is less buggy. For Cyrillic characters, I have the Russian keyboard (among others) enabled in the iPhone's settings. I use it in my everyday life as well, so it might not make as much sense for you to do that, since constaontly enabling and disabling keyboards can be very annoying. Also, it can't type stress marks. --WikiTiki89 00:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


Adding ancestry detail is nice, but causing 11 Hebrew entries to have module errors isn't. Please fix it, and, in the future, please check to make sure you're not sending ancestry chains off into the void. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: This is not exactly his/her problem. Fixed. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Some suspect OCS translations[edit]

This French IP: (talkcontribswhoisdeleted contribsnukeedit filter logblockblock logactive blocksglobal blocks), (talkcontribswhoisdeleted contribsnukeedit filter logblockblock logactive blocksglobal blocks), etc., is knowledgeable in a wide range of difficult and obscure languages, but hates to be limited to attested forms in ancient languages (CodeCat has reverted dozens of attempts to add Gothic terms for things from modern times).

Judging from this edit, I think they're doing the same thing with OCS. I don't know as much about OCS as I do about Gothic, so I thought I would ask you to have a look. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)