Talk:манты
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Stress, gender, singular[edit]
@Atitarev: Who pronounces it манты́ (mantý)? I don’t know which ends you are from, but did your Russian environment use to prepare it? I have never heard that stress. I have by now had this dish served on a four-digit number of banquets, but everybody always pronounced it ма́нты (mánty). Also why not have it at мант (mant)? The singular is in general use. я съем ещё один мант (ja sʺjem ješčó odin mant). Ой! мант упал на пол. (Oj! mant upal na pol.) Thus it is of course masculine, but you added it as a feminine (in disagreement with Russian Wiktionary). I see however that people on the web say одна́ манта (odná manta), but more common is оди́н мант (odín mant). Fay Freak (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, he's from southern Russia. PUC – 18:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Fay Freak: No, I am not very familiar with the dish and the stress is from the Wikipedia article. If a singular is OK, we can change it, also the gender. After just a quick search I found that both stress patterns are acceptable and are recorded in different dictionaries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Thanks, that formatting you made works ✅; especially assuming that there were once only the plural forms or an undeclinable form from which the singular was back-formed. I had the suspicion that some Muscovite linguists “guessed” or reconstructed the stress based on the fact that Turkic languages (or Tajik and Armenian etc.) generally stress the final syllable or at least the area where such a stress is accepted is very small, as in spite of that expectation of Turkic stress it seems certain to me that it is not stressed like that in (Northern and Eastern) Kazakhstan up to Tatarstan where one would expect such a Turkic stress, because of having known Russian-speaking emigrants from particularly this area. I would need to go through a sample of some dozens of cooking videos to verify the usage and distribution of the stress манты́ (mantý). @Allahverdi Verdizade, Vahagn Petrosyan: I guess you can tell us how it is pronounced in general in Russian as spoken in Azerbaijan and Armenia, as it is shown that the same dish and name is used there. Fay Freak (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- манты́. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 23:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- I have never heard it pronounced in Russian. I had not known about this dish until a few years ago, when Armenian repatriates from Arab countries offered it in their ethnic restaurants in Yerevan. --Vahag (talk) 05:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: Thanks, that formatting you made works ✅; especially assuming that there were once only the plural forms or an undeclinable form from which the singular was back-formed. I had the suspicion that some Muscovite linguists “guessed” or reconstructed the stress based on the fact that Turkic languages (or Tajik and Armenian etc.) generally stress the final syllable or at least the area where such a stress is accepted is very small, as in spite of that expectation of Turkic stress it seems certain to me that it is not stressed like that in (Northern and Eastern) Kazakhstan up to Tatarstan where one would expect such a Turkic stress, because of having known Russian-speaking emigrants from particularly this area. I would need to go through a sample of some dozens of cooking videos to verify the usage and distribution of the stress манты́ (mantý). @Allahverdi Verdizade, Vahagn Petrosyan: I guess you can tell us how it is pronounced in general in Russian as spoken in Azerbaijan and Armenia, as it is shown that the same dish and name is used there. Fay Freak (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Fay Freak: No, I am not very familiar with the dish and the stress is from the Wikipedia article. If a singular is OK, we can change it, also the gender. After just a quick search I found that both stress patterns are acceptable and are recorded in different dictionaries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)