Talk:խօզ

@Vahagn Petrosyan: Compare Persian خزه (xaze, “moss”), Northern Kurdish kevz and Central Kurdish قەوزە (qewze, “algae”).--Calak (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@Calak, excellent! I am sure these are all related. I wonder how no one noticed this so far. --Vahag (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, it’s easy to be wise after the event!--Calak (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

That's true. Perhaps also the Persian word is uncommon. --Vahag (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

This word (and its alt xawz) reminds me kōšik (and its alt kawšik). They have same development. --Calak (talk) 22:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Armenian օ (ō) developed regularly from աւ (aw), That is a well-known sound change. --Vahag (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

We should find etymology of these Iranian words. Based on Armenian words, someone can suggest MIr. *xafs(ak) (with common x- > k- and fs > v/wz developments in Kurdish).--Calak (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

That's above my paygrade :) --Vahag (talk) 14:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I think it can be related to Zazaki hewz (“green”) (PIr. *x- > NP x-, Kurd k-, Zaza h-).--Calak (talk) 22:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I added the Zazaki parallel but I don't know the sound laws of Iranian and can't comment. --Vahag (talk) 11:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

An example to clarify: Avestan xara-, MP xar, NP xar, Kurdish ker, Zazaki her (all mean "donkey").--Calak (talk) 11:15, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

The relationship between these words is discussed in Husein Muhammed Rehnas. Ferhenga etîmolojî ya kurdî s.v. kesk, but without the Armenian. --Vahag (talk) 11:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I read it, it is wrong etymology. He derives Kurdish kesk form kevz + -k! That is impossible. These are two separate words. kesk is cognate with MP. kaskēn (from kask + ēn).--Calak (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: I think I found etymology of this word. It is cognate with Ossetian хӕфс (xæfs, “frog”), metathesis of OIr. kasyapa-. Now we should clear relation of frog and moss, algae. Asatrian says Persian words for moss, algae are a compound, from frog + clothes/carpet; comapre Persian جل وزغ, جلبک from جل (“clothes”) + وزغ (“toad”), بک (“frog”). I also add Persian چغزواره from چغز (“frog”) + -واره (“to cover”). So Armenian xawz and Iranian cognates actually are a part of a compound (like Kermanic baža).--Calak (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Calak: this is very promising. Compare also Armenian գորտնբուրդ (gortnburd, “algae”, literally “frog-wool”), գորտնխալի (gortnxali, “algae”, literally “frog-carpet”). I will definitely return to this and expand the entry in a few weeks. I am very busy right now. --Vahag (talk) 21:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Calak: I have added the etymology proposed by you. Can you add the transliterations and glosses to the Persian and Kermanic forms? --Vahag (talk) 11:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Done.--Calak (talk) 10:56, 22 December 2018 (UTC)