Talk:կորիւն

@Fay Freak, what function does the ending -ūn have in the Aramaic words quoted here? --Vahag (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan That form is some fancy plural, explicitly listed as a plural under אַרְיָא (aryā) in Sokoloff (page 166b). Fay Freak (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. As you said, after the vocalization /bar aryāwān/ did not look similar, so I removed it. --Vahag (talk) 09:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: I had less awareness of that ending and unattested Aramaic terms in May 2019: Can -iwn (as you don’t talk much at its page about its different origins) be the Aramaic diminutive ending -ōnā though, formations from which are often too colloquial to be attested, found in زَيْتُون (zaytūn), عَرْقُون (ʕarqūn), حِرْذَوْن (ḥirḏawn), בְּרוֹנָא (bərōnā), ܩܝܣܘܢܐ (qaysōnā), ܥܒܘܢܐ (ʕāḇōnā), ܒܝܬܘܢܐ (baytōna) etc.? կ (k) would be from the borrowing being old enough as from Indo-European terms starting with *gʷ and g inherited into Old Armenian, and we see -իւն (-iwn) also had /o/ at some proto point. Northwest Semitic /ɡ/ may have been heard labialized, if that is necessary, like 𐤂𐤁𐤋 (gbl) surfaces Βύβλος (Búblos), Wild, Stefan (1973) Libanesische Ortsnamen (Beiruter Texte und Studien; 9)‎^[1], Würzburg · Bayrūt: Ergon-Verlag · al-Furat, published 2008, →ISBN, pages 283–286. So կորիւն (koriwn) is from Old Aramaic *gūryōnā, of course unattested.

I think you and @კვარია also want to complete խոճկոր (xočkor), გოჭი (goč̣i), the former word more likely just being a blend/compound of two other words and hardly related, not to speak of the Slavic and Greek connections. Fay Freak (talk) 19:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fay Freak: I expect that Aramaic suffix to give -ոյն (-oyn) or -ուն- (-un-), as in արքայ (arkʻay). -իւն (-iwn) is found in Indo-European words and has been explained in PIE terms, though I have not added the explanations yet․ So the Semitic origin is highly speculative.

PS. Georgian გოჭი (goč̣i) is related to Old Armenian գոճան (gočan, “pig”), which was until recently considered a Kartvelian borrowing because Armenian linguists thought the Georgian is a native term related to ღორი (ɣori). In 2005 Lavrenti Hovhannisyan suggested an Iranian origin for գոճան (gočan), but I don't have his book. I will deal with խոճկոր (xočkor) shortly. Vahag (talk) 18:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)