Talk:जिज्ञासते
Latest comment: 6 years ago by AryamanA
@माधवपंडित I tried my best with the PIE reconstruction but I'm not sure about the verb ending (I guess it's something like *-setoy). Do you have any ideas?
@Per utramque cavernam I made the entry but haven't added quotes yet. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 23:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
- @AryamanA: Thanks! As for me, I've created CAT:Desiderative verbs by language, though I do not know how it would be best implemented. I added a plain category but that's not very good. I thought of
{{lb|sa|desiderative}}but it's not very good either. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 23:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC) - @AryamanA: -ते verb endings in Sanskrit usually come from PIE -tor. So I would guess it would be *ǵh₃-ǵneh₃-setor.
- Since we are on the subject I don't think Sanskrit verbs with the -ते ending were diphthongs in Vedic, PIA or PII. We currently assume so while showing the pronunciation and making PII reconstructions ending in -tay (see *mányatay). But if it were the -ay diphthong, it should have been aē in Avestan but Sanskrit सचते (sacate) from *sékʷetor corresponds to Avestan 𐬵𐬀𐬗𐬀𐬌𐬙𐬉 (hacaitē) and मन्यते (manyate) to 𐬨𐬀𐬥𐬌𐬌𐬈𐬙𐬉 (maniietē). So I think we need to be reconstructing *sáčate and *mányate instead. What do you think? -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @माधवपंडित: I took a look in Brill Introductions to Indo-European Languages : Introduction to Avestan and it confirms that the Avestan ending for the middle voice 3rd person singular are -tē̆ and -ē̆ which are cognate to Sanskrit -ते (-te) and come from a Proto-Indo-European *-toy. And *e is not reconstructed for PIIr at all usually. You also have to remember that despite having such a precise alphabet Avestan's diphthongs behave strangely depending on where they are in the word, not to mention scribal errors seem to have been frequent. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 01:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @AryamanA: Oh I see. Never saw the Proto-Indo-European *-toy being used here though that may have been the allophone of *-tor in certain IE dialects. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @माधवपंडित: I used to think that too, but I guess they're different things. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 01:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @AryamanA: Oh I see. Never saw the Proto-Indo-European *-toy being used here though that may have been the allophone of *-tor in certain IE dialects. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @माधवपंडित: I took a look in Brill Introductions to Indo-European Languages : Introduction to Avestan and it confirms that the Avestan ending for the middle voice 3rd person singular are -tē̆ and -ē̆ which are cognate to Sanskrit -ते (-te) and come from a Proto-Indo-European *-toy. And *e is not reconstructed for PIIr at all usually. You also have to remember that despite having such a precise alphabet Avestan's diphthongs behave strangely depending on where they are in the word, not to mention scribal errors seem to have been frequent. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 01:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)