Talk:კრვა

cf. Fähnrich, Heinz (2007) Kartwelisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch [Kartvelian Etymological Dictionary] (Handbuch der Orientalistik; VIII.18) (in German), Leiden, Boston: Brill, page 223. Esp. cf. Georgian და-ვ-კარ-ი (da-v-ḳar-i). You have to project Armenian vocalism to Proto-Georgian-Zan *ḳar- კვარია (talk) 20:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@კვარია: I believe the Armenian is borrowed from Kartvelian. Please create the Proto-Georgian-Zan. კრივი (ḳrivi) can be a reborrowing in Tiflis. Vahag (talk) 22:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@კვარია: thanks. So what is -ვა (-va) in კრვა (ḳrva) and does -ვ- (-v-) stay in the paradigm when the verb is conjugated? Also, can you confirm that კრივი (ḳrivi) cannot be explained by regular Georgian sound laws? I can explain it within Armenian. Vahag (talk) 07:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, let's say that's just how it works don't torture me with Georgian verb paradigm explanations :D . The vowel is sometimes deleted when -v-a (for VNs) is added. Cf. also just above in Fahnrich for *kar- which means to bind and its Georgian descendants. For კრივი I'll check but it's possible reborrowed yes კვარია (talk) 08:31, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I only want to understand why an Armenian borrowing from კრ-ვ-ა (ḳr-v-a) would keep the ვ as part of the root: կռու-իմ (kṙu-im). That would happen if ვ is part of the paradigm when the verb is conjugated in Georgian or if Armenian usually borrows not the Georgian stem but the verbal noun. By the way, the two Kartvelian *ḳar- roots "to bind" and "to beat" may be identical. Compare the meanings of կռուեմ (kṙuem) and see կռիւ (kṙiw) for the sense development. In any case, the first root was borrowed also as կար (kar). Vahag (talk) 08:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)