Talk:慄

Taishanese

@Chagneling, is this character used in 台山方音字典 for the Taishanese sense? I'm asking because Stephen Li uses 𢗉, and 珠江三角洲方言詞彙對照 doesn't have an actual character for it. Also, the pronunciation is a problem. 珠江三角洲方言詞彙對照 has ⁿdut²¹ for this, which doesn't rhyme with the reading for 栗 in 珠江三角洲方言字音對照 løt²¹. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Firstly, thanks for catching the typo; It slipped my mind that Wiktionary made a ut vs uut distinction instead of just uut, which meant I incorrectly applied -uut for both.

Yep, I did get it from 台山方音字典. Some photos are here: "lud`", "nud`" (The right bracket to the left of "nud`" denotes a 白读.)

• You probably already know that 台山方音字典 doesn't distinguish between what Wiktionary romanises as uut and ut, using ud (IPA [ut]) to cover both. However, the fanqie for the two readings are different: the fanqie 律 is given for the "lud`" reading vs 突 for the "nud`" reading. Given that these two are also example characters from the Taishanese romanisation page, I think it's likely that it's nut5 and luut5 (as you corrected) for our romanisation, at least.
• Since the dictionary uses simplified characters, I don't know for sure if the Taishanese-specific "nud`" would be 慄 or 栗 in Traditional Chinese. The former ("to shiver", but defined as "fear" in the dictionary) seemed more reasonable than the latter ("chestnut") since the dictionary entry for the former gives the same definition "恐惧" for both, and the literary pronunciation has an example that we definitely know is "慄" in Traditional Chinese (臨其穴，惴惴其慄。).

(I can't help but wonder where Stephen got the character 𢗉 -- it looks very obscure, and the Kangxi Dictionary gives the definition for that character as "忧闷".) Chagneling (talk) 01:09, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@Chagneling: Thanks! 慄 looks suitable for the "fear" sense. It's possible that Stephen Li just found a suitable substitute character. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC)