Talk:霊漿

RFV discussion: August 2011

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霊漿 / 霊法

Not in my Japanese dictionaries to hand. Not in JA WP despite interwiki link. Entry created and edited by suspect IP users. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 21:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't actually doubt the validity of these entries. I have a problem with the anon listing non-synonyms as synonyms. I digress. Anyway, take a look at this: 霊法会 (reihōkai). Essentially, it refers to an spiritualist offshoot of Shinto Buddhism. I am not into religions, so I don't understand most of it. As for 霊漿, here is a passage from a book by 徳冨蘆花, a 19th/20th century Japanese humanist/philosopher - 巖の如く頑なる魂を透して一滴したたり落ちた天の霊漿. I think in this case, it refers to some sort of spiritual liquid that drips from heaven. Note that this anon seems to be dedicated to editing mysticism/spiritualism/magic related terms in Japanese, which are all attestable as far as I am concerned. The entries are, however, a little too detailed for a dictionary. I've tried talking to him/her about that, but his/her English seems to be limited and I also have a feeling that the person is quite young as he/she talked about receiving instructions from her mother all the time. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 22:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks James. One of the IPs listed in the history looks like an IP user I've conversed with successfully in the past, who then amended their editing to be more in line with Wiktionary style and formatting norms. If it's the same user, they are very interested in manga, but they apparently don't have access to any dead-tree reference materials and get all of their definitions from manga, anime, and online sources.

This leads me sideways to a separate question about attestable -- would use of a term in manga be sufficient to warrant inclusion in Wiktionary? -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 22:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes. As long as it's used in more than 3 separate manga/anime universes, which in the two examples we have here, I have no doubt. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 23:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

O/T question, but is there such a thing as "Shinto Buddhism"? My understanding was that the two remain largely distinct. The 霊法会 article describes the sect as part of 法華宗, itself part of Japanese Buddhism. Then again Japan is known for its syncretism... -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 22:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Shinto Buddhism is a synonym of Japanese Buddhism AFAIC unless I am horribly mistaken? Religion has always been a mind-boggling exercise for me as I am more of a logical thinker. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 23:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but what I remember from uni is that the two are separate. Broadly speaking, Shintō covers the living, and Buddhism covers the dead. So you take newborns to the Shintō priest for a blessing, and you bury your dead in a Buddhist cemetery. -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 22:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I think I should do more research on this in the future. Thanks for that. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 22:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a JA WP article on w:ja:霊法会, apparently one of Japan's new religions (新宗教). However, a quick read through the top of the JA WP article indicates that this is a proper religion deriving from the Lotus Sutra of Buddhism, and not just the vague spiritualism or magicalism indicated by the 霊法 definition given.

I rather suspect that the contributing editor, the suspect IP user, based their content solely on their limited understanding from anime / manga, and that 霊法 is either:

1. not a real term at all, or
2. a term actually used, but only in certain manga / anime.

I am not a manga reader nor much of an anime viewer, so I have insufficient familiarity with such materials to tell if 霊法 is used in enough manga / anime universes to merit inclusion. If no one else can fill in and confirm this term, I suggest it be deleted. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 06:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)