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神巫#Mandarin, 巫女#Mandarin[edit]

I worry that our IP anon friend is veering back into outer space after an all-too-brief stay in low-earth orbit. I don't suppose either of the above entries are valid Mandarin? -- Kia ora, Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 06:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I was able to verify both terms in some Chinese dictionaries, they also exist in zh:wikt under 汉语 (Chinese). They are both valid. --Anatoli (обсудить) 07:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
They may exist in the ZH WT, but the tones differ for 神巫 (shénwū on ZH WT vs. shēnwū here), and neither ZH entry gives a ZH def, listing only Russian translations. To clarify, I'm not asking if these terms exist in Mandarin, I'm asking if they actually mean in Mandarin what we currently have listed at 神巫#Mandarin and 巫女#Mandarin. 巫女#Mandarin would make sense for the given meaning, and the ZH WT Russian translation seems to match this, but 神巫#Mandarin on the ZH WT just seems to mean shaman, which is definitely not wizard as I understand the terms. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 07:27, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
They are about right. I've never heard of 神巫, but apparently according to and, it's the same as 巫师, which I have heard of and is a generic term for anyone who has supernatural power. 巫女 seems to be a term that's used to especially refer to the female diviners in Japan, and is not the female counterpart to 神巫 (女巫 is). So his definitions are ok; I modified them slightly, but he got the gist of it. I am still a little apprehensive about his obsession with adding supernatural power-themed entries and the excess of redundant information in every entry. JamesjiaoTC 21:18, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, James. Any ideas on the tones for 神巫? ZH WT has "shénwū", other dictionaries give "shén" as the tone for 神, but EN WT now has "shēnwū". I know tones sometimes change depending on context, so I'm unsure whether the EN WT tone might be valid in some cases? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 22:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I missed that part. Was concentrating too much on the semantics. It's definitely not pronounced shēnwū. I am not sure where this guy is getting his pronunciation information from. Allophones are a common feature in Mandarin, but the unwritten rule here on WT is to use the dictionary pronunciation. For example, 怎么着 is often allophonically pronounced zénmezhāo in speech, but its dictionary form should always be zěnmezhe. JamesjiaoTC 22:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing this, Jamesjiao. I was busy last night and we must be all on different times zones. I missed the tone discrepancies when checking. --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

tomato sauce and tomato paste[edit]


It seems that both products are often translated into Chinese as 番茄酱, although 沙司 (from "sauce") makes them a bit different. Do you know another term for tomato paste? --Anatoli (обсудить) 00:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How about 番茄汁? It usuallly applies to both (the Chinese don't usually differentiate between the two anyway). JamesjiaoTC 00:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I see it's even more confusing. 番茄汁 is tomato juice. So, you use same words for tomato juice, sauce and paste? --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Yep. :). Like how people refer to any Asian food with pastry and filling as dumplings. That being said, 番茄酱 is definitely used for both sauce and paste. 番茄沙司 is probably a lot more common in the south and I can't tell you for sure which ones it might refer to. 番茄汁 or simply 茄汁, especially when used in speech, refers to any of the three, depending on the context. I grew up hearing both 番茄汁 and 番茄酱 used, but not 番茄沙司. JamesjiaoTC 01:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
How about 番茄糊. I think it refers to 番茄酱, but due to the Chinese's lack of knowledge about the differences between the two varieties, I can bet my house on it that many use it to mean both sauce and paste. JamesjiaoTC 01:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw an explanation of 番茄沙司 as "tomato sauce" (as 沙司 is a phonetic borrowing). It may not be common, just following the European way of gradually splitting the term, like English neologisms jiaozi, baozi, mantou, etc. :) I'll review my translations later on and add more specific terms (if you don't do it yourself). Thanks again. --Anatoli (обсудить) 02:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Common Norwegian Entries[edit]

How do I find it? What's the namespace, or a least a method of getting there? Can I use my watchlist and get there from there? Bleakgh (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


Could you check which part(s) of speech this word is, please? Two of the senses are defined like adverbs, not nouns. Also, if you aren't familiar with the "home (noun)" sense of this word, could you remove it? It has sat at RFV for a long time, and it doesn't look like anyone is going to cite it. Alternatively, if you are familiar with that sense, comment on WT:RFV. - -sche (discuss) 04:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I think A-Cai got caught up with the literal meaning of the compound. This is understandable as he's a native Mandarin speaker. I tidied it up a bit. JamesjiaoTC 05:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Kamilz (talkcontribs)[edit]

Hi Jamesjiao,

This user has removed a bunch of "Han character" definitions, replacing them with different definitions. Could you take a look at some of these removals, and let me know if they're generally correct?

Thanks in advance!
15:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Seems to be generally good changes. I am not usually concerned too much with the definitions under the Han Character heading anyway. They are quite often inexact as they try to cover all langs that use them. JamesjiaoTC 21:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. —RuakhTALK 21:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


I just wanted to share this quote with you:
"Many of our best contributors began with a few shabby edits. Be kind to newbies, even though it is a test of patience to see the same mistake hundreds of times over several years. Patience is one of the most underrated of the virtues, and in our present attention-deficit-disorder age it is one of the most rare."
Thanks, --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok? Care to elaborate? JamesjiaoTC 22:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Dannown. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Dude you might want to check again. He's NOT a newbie. He's been making good entries all along - Special:Contributions/Dannown. Then he did this: [1]. What the hell? It's like the work of someone else entirely. JamesjiaoTC 00:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, some people take longer to get out of the newbie phase. He's been here for years, but he only has 122 edits. And his entries are mostly of that same low quality, so he just needs to learn how. For example, look at this Korean entry before a couple editors came and cleaned it up for him. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mandarin translations - sequence[edit]


Thanks for your translations. One request though, could you add them in this order: traditional, simplified as in WT:AZH#Translations into Chinese languages/dialects/topolects:

* Chinese:
*: Mandarin: {{t|zh|心理學|sc=Hani}}, {{t|zh|心理学|tr=xīnlǐxué|sc=Hani}}

One previous problem is fixed by User:Ruakh. You can use both "cmn" and "zh", the translations will still link to zh:wiki with adding "". BTW, if you can, don't leave the translations without a gloss, otherwise they may end up in "translations to be checked". --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by translations without a gloss? Can you give an example? JamesjiaoTC 04:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Entries in Category:Translation table header lacks gloss have no "gloss" in translations, {{trans-top}} had no value like in your edits of gross profit or net profit. Not your fault, the original editor didn't add a gloss. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I see. I only added a gloss if the entry had more than one definition. I will add one regardless from now on. JamesjiaoTC 04:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
What happens is, if a new sense is added or the definition is changed, people who don't speak those languages tend to move all translations into "translations to be checked", thus destroying previous translation efforts. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
That makes perfect sense, Anatoli. JamesjiaoTC 22:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)



If you have time, could you join the discussion, please? I wonder if you're able to find any citations (even if you're against the inclusion). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. I am on vacation in the States at the moment and barely have time to use the Internet. Will get right on it when I am back in a week. Thanks. JamesjiaoTC 00:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
The case is now closed :) It doesn't mean it can't be reopened. Have a nice trip! --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
We still need at least one of the cites to be copy-pasted and translated... --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


Whenever you have a moment (it isn't urgent), could you clarify what that phrase literally means? Appendix:Glossary of Mahjong the game glosses it as "giving you a good tile to chow"; Equinox conjectured that "chow" might be a misspelling of "chew", I wonder if it was a misspelling of "show" or if the verb should be something else entirely. Thanks, - -sche (discuss) 21:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Google Translate was entirely unhelpful. To me, it looks like "may a good tile come up for you" (bǐ zhīhǎo pái nǐ shàng), but I'm a beginner in Mandarin, so you should wait for somebody else (like Jamesjiao) who doesn't need a dictionary on hand like I do. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
This is Cantonese. To 'chow' (上) is to piece together a winning combination of three suited tiles in sequence. If all of the tiles in your hand form winning combinations in a mahjong game, then you win. In Mandarin, the equivalent of 上 is 吃 chī. So the original literal translation was correct. Take a look at w:Mahjong and search for the keyword, 'chow'. JamesjiaoTC 01:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Haha, more proof that I'm cmn-0! James, how do I tell when it's Cantonese (besides the fact that it didn't seem to make much sense)? --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
It's the vocab and grammar. The indirect object 你 usually immediately follows the main verb in a sentence like this in Mandarin, instead appearing just before the secondary verb. Vocab-wise, 俾 is simply not used to mean 'to give' in Mandarin. I've watched enough Cantonese shows to know 俾你 means 'to give you...'. JamesjiaoTC 05:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
That makes sense. But aren't there weird Mandarin sentences where certain sections, like the direct object, might be pulled up for emphasis? --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I think topical construction like this (pulling the emphasized information to the front) is also found in Japanese. JamesjiaoTC 05:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Aha, thanks! I've created [[chow#Verb]] and edited the glossary accordingly. - -sche (discuss) 04:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

second helping[edit]


Is there an equivalent translation? All I can think of and find is "(我要)再来一份". --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

This is an interesting one, because a second helping is more a western concept. In China, you'd usually ask for more rice (添饭) as the dishes are usually shared. When it comes to individual plates of food, however, your suggestion would absolutely work. JamesjiaoTC 01:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
All right, thanks. :) I will add with "no exact equivalent" note. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
By the way, it's not just food, can be drinks as well. So, "(我要)再喝一杯" should work for drinks. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I think 再来一杯 is more common. JamesjiaoTC 01:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I was torn between 来 and 喝 on the second question. Thanks for clarifying. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

死亡愿望 and death wish[edit]


I got this translation from an online dictionary and I confirmed it after searching in Baidu. 死亡愿望 seems to be a translation of Freud's theory of "death instinct" or "death-drive", also called 死亡本能, the latter being more common. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

A bit more on death wish in Chinese. The term 求死愿望 is also in CEDIC dictionary but with a comment that it's a translation from English. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
It's just not used this way. It's too long to fit in a sentence. The Chinese are minimalists. So the shorter the term without losing information, the better. I am not saying 死亡愿望 is wrong, it's just strange to say it like this. If you really want to expand it into this form, then it's better to say 死亡的愿望 or 死之愿望. But it's a lot more common to use the verb form - 找死, or more literarily/formally: 自寻死路. I have never heard of 作死 used in Mandarin strangely. It's sometime used in Wu, though 寻死 is more common in this case. JamesjiaoTC 08:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I got it. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 21:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)



We still have some unfilled red links in Appendix:HSK_list_of_Mandarin_words/Elementary_Mandarin.

I want to add an entry for 一...也... (even ... not ...) next but I may need some assistance. Is a phrase 他一口饭也不想吃 the only usage for 一...也...? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I think so. I am not sure about the definition though. It sounds wrong. A better one would be not... at all. 也 is usually followed by the negation particle 不 => 一+NP+也+不/没+VP. Your example can be translated as: "He doesn't feel like eating at all." JamesjiaoTC 07:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, agreed with your translation. Created the entry, see 一...也.... --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 07:32, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Well done. I have been intentionally avoiding those entries with ellipses... JamesjiaoTC 07:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


I replied on my talk page. John Vandenberg (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)



There seems to be some issues with the template (if you look at any Mandarin entry). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Fixed. I couldn't bear to see such a glaring error on so many Chinese entries... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
! Thanks! --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry! My mind was on fixing the script error from the lua module while adding documentation for the new template. So easy to make a mistake... :(. JamesjiaoTC 11:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks James. Can you also get rid of that massive space where the "simpl. and trad. box" is? ---> Tooironic (talk) 23:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Are you talking about the cellpadding in the table cell? Or something else? 消除 looks OK to me? JamesjiaoTC 00:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, compare 消除 with 快要. Can you see the difference? Can you see that big space in the 快要 entry? ---> Tooironic (talk) 23:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Ah, the spasce above the part of speech heading.. hmm.. I wonder how that happened. OK I will take a look. It's strange... JamesjiaoTC 23:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Fixed. There was an extra new line in {{zh-hanzi}}, which I inadvertently introduced after redirecting it to {{zh-hanzi-box}}. JamesjiaoTC 22:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

'Dowsing' in Mandarin?[edit]

What is the Mandarin spelling for 'Dowsing'? Wiktionary had an entry, 道辛, but now its gone. So, what is the right spelling? 22:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

"" is only a transliteration of a person's or place name "Dowsing" - "Dàoxīn". I'm going to add some Mandarin and other translations at dowsing#Translations. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
What about scry/scrying? what would be the translation in Mandarin for that? And Mandarin for using a pendulum and a map to locate something lost? And what is the translation for Remote viewing in Mandarin? 19:48, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Note that this appears to be our nuisance magic-obsessed anonymous user. I just blocked this IP for adding rubbish JA entries. This past two weeks, I've been seeing quite a bit from IP range 151.227.x.x. I wonder if this means that this user is on spring break? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 19:51, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
@151.227.x.x. Do you bother checking more thoroughly what you add? You don't even check pronunciation. Since when has a "bì" reading, which you put into "道辛" you created? Where do you get this rubbish, anyway? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

From I don't know any other places to get translations. 20:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for missing out on the party. 遥视 or 天眼(通) would be two of the possible translations for remote viewing. Scrying can probably be translated into 占卜 as it is really just a form of divination. There isn't a fixed term for it as 'scrying' is not of Chinese origin. JamesjiaoTC 04:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you:).

'Wards' in Mandarin?[edit]

What is the Mandarin spelling for 'Wards'? (Wards as in protective Wards, not as in a hospittle wards). Also, what is the Mandarin term for using a pendulum and a map to locate something lost? 01:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

What is the Mandarin spelling for a 'Ward'? (Wards as in protective Wards, not as in a hospital ward). Also, what would be the Mandarin term for using a pendulum and a map to locate something lost? 04:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Posting to Protologisms page[edit]

You deleted my entry while I was responding to another user's observations about why it did not qualify. I was preparing to pose it for discussion as an rfd, which I wish you had been willing to await. I am receptive to posting it instead on the Protologism WT:LOP site, but have not been able to determine how to add an item (other than editing the whole page, which I assume is not the legit approach). Can you please guide me on how to do that? And can you restore my content so that I do not need to recreate it? Thank you. Troy

You do just edit the page. The word is not suitable for an RFD; please see WT:RFD. It simply does not exist yet (that is, it fails WT:ATTEST), so it is a protologism. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
No google results, no google book results. This is an instant WT:CFI fail. There was no need to RFD them. JamesjiaoTC 01:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)



You're invited to this discussion. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:cmn new[edit]

Hi James,

I find this template very useful for creating new Chinese entries. It work for HSK categories as well. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 06:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I've seen Wyang using it. Just haven't had the time to check it out. Will have a look this weekend. JamesjiaoTC 07:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Very easy for short words (doesn't work for words longer than 4 characters):

trad/simp, (optional HSK level- intermediate): 此刻: {{subst:cmn new/a|p1=cǐ|p2=kè|adv|[[at present]], [[now]]|l=i}}

without HSK, just : {{subst:cmn new/a|p1=cǐ|p2=kè|adv|[[at present]], [[now]]}}

simp, 创立, HSK: ==Mandarin==

trad. and simpl.




  1. Lua error in Module:labels/templates at line 33: The parameter "sc" is not used by this template. to establish, to set up, to found

zh:Jamesjiao --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 07:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


You have mi-1 on your user page, so could you have a look at this? —CodeCat 16:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi James[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that I'll still be hanging around here, but I just don't want to use my account anymore :) Greetings to NZ! 08:51, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


The word fête is pronounced "fight" in Quebec French. See 01:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok? Did you have a question or? Why are you telling me this? Besides, I highly doubt it's pronounced the way I pronounce 'fight'. An IPA representation would be much much more useful. JamesjiaoTC 01:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

A blocking request.[edit]


This guy is just plain fucking stupid; his stupidity offends me. He’s also a repeat offender. --Æ&Œ (talk) 22:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I am surprised he wasn't blocked. He's now blocked for a month. JamesjiaoTC 22:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


OK. Slavić (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Please don't delete my contributions, only change them to (Croatia) if you have time. Thanks in advance. Slavić (talk) 21:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
That's what I am doing at the moment. Changing, not deleting. I thank you for correcting yourself! JamesjiaoTC 21:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

PoS for不是...而是.., 不是...就是...[edit]

Hi James,

If I want to create these two entries (they are part of HSK Intermediate word list), what part of speech should they be? Phrases, verbs or something else? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. This is a tough one. I'd say it's more of a prepositional phrase that consists of two prepositions. Here is a more official version of it [3]: ...“不是……而是……”是一组表示并列关系的关联词... or a group of words that show relationships of equivalence. This is a similar construction to the English "(this is) not (a hare) but (a rabbit)." So either preposition or prepositional phrase would do I guess? JamesjiaoTC 21:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
That sounds pretty good too. Now that I've mulled over this a bit more, I don't think preposition is appropriate at all; it's more conjunctional as it connects two phrases together. JamesjiaoTC 21:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. Only we don't have "coordinating phrases" as PoS. Can it be an idiom as 非...不可 or a just a phrase as 不是吗? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't feel an idiom is appropriate. An idiom usually describes a phrase 1) that's peculiar to a particular language 2) whose meaning can't be figured out immediately by simply looking at it literally. Just put it down as a conjunction as that's what it's used for. JamesjiaoTC 22:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I've created 不是……而是……. I also wonder if it would be OK to move all entries with "..." to use …… as is common in Chinese and looks better with Chinese characters or should entries follow the English method of writing the ellipsis? Perhaps I should also ask this in BP. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Re:Your Japanese entries[edit]

Thanks, I'll make sure to read through them. Chickasaurus (talk) 21:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

deleting attack pages[edit]

When you delete attack pages, do not leave the page content in the deletion window, or that content will be visible in the log for anyone who looks. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Got it. JamesjiaoTC 22:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi James,

Could you please check if I got the senses right for the Chinese translations? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

凝結 (cmn), 凝结 (cmn) (níngjié) needs to be removed from the first definition. It's only used to mean condensation from the gas state to the liquid state. It can have figurative meanings too, but nothing that condensation covers. JamesjiaoTC 03:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Done, thank you! --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


Will you please undelete my userpage? I just want to move the reference somewhere else. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 02:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Your user page was never deleted. If you are talking about your talk page, why did you put it there in the first place? To me, it's spam. JamesjiaoTC
I will give you a few hours to remove the content. JamesjiaoTC 03:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
It's gone. Thanks. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


Thank you very much. I am not very familiar with the Wiktionary. Vatekor (talk) 07:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Verb: accomplish[edit]

The rollback? is probably not appropriate; it is my understanding that few entries begin with an introductory paragraph as the entry for "accomplish" does, and furthermore the paragraph is poorly written.

You are right. I meant to roll back the change two history items ago, i.e., removing the introductory paragraph. Instead, I rolled back the rollback. Happens unfortunately especially when I try to multitask at work. Thanks for fixing it. JamesjiaoTC 20:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


Your deletion is a major part of why I rarely contribute to Wiktionary these days. I always thought this was a collaborative effort. I put in a word. It's a real word. Leave it there. If you don't like the formatting and have the time to deal with all the requirements, please fix it. Don't delete contributions that were made in good faith. Honestly, I enjoy contributing to Wiktionary, but don't always have the time to make things perfect. Leave the entry there; someone else will fix it. It's why this is a community. — V-ball (talk) 16:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you to some point, however, I do not agree with leaving incomplete entries for others to 'fix'. We are already stretched out thin and it's important to create quality entries on the first go. Why would you expect others to clean up after you when they could spend the same time doing something more important? It's just plain inconsiderate and lazy. If you are not sure about certain templates, ASK! No one ask you to create the perfect entry. All we ask of you is to provide the basic grammatical information needed to form a basic SC entry. My decision stands. JamesjiaoTC 20:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


I don’t get it. --Æ&Œ (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Formatting. If you can fix it, that will be great. :) JamesjiaoTC 23:11, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
I fixed it. Is having no content really better than having broken content? --Æ&Œ (talk) 23:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Good point. It was a multitasking-at-work on-the-whim kind of revert. JamesjiaoTC 23:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
What’s your occupation, if you don’t mind me asking? --Æ&Œ (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
DBA/Developer. JamesjiaoTC 00:24, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: 長頸鹿 word type[edit]

Oh geez! That was supposed to be "Noun" and not "Adjective". :3

I've fixed it, but that's kind of embarrassing... Regards, Bumm13 (talk) 04:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


I noticed you just blocked, which I think was a bit unfair. They were trying to remove {{de-conj}} (which is for conjugation tables, not conjunctions) from deswegen - and although I agree they didn't do it in the best possible way (it would have been better to replace it with the correct template), it seems like that doesn't qualify as vandalism. (Or is there something I'm missing?) Mr. Granger (talk) 00:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me review my decision. I totally didn't expect de-conj to be a conjugation template. Thanks for bringing this up by the way. JamesjiaoTC 00:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Unblocked and I've also informed Semper of your change. Thanks dude. JamesjiaoTC 01:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


Your loss. I was looking for a translation of this expression, but wiktionary is lacking. Up yours, pompous prick!

I don't think I lost anything here. JamesjiaoTC 22:07, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I have added the gesture to the French entry - I don't know what the English term would be (and it's difficult to describe). SemperBlotto (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there is one. I've been trying to look it up. It's similar to a bra d'honneur but with the arm being slightly lower. It's apparently an antisemitic gesture. JamesjiaoTC 22:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)



I have translated a few names of Arabic diacritic names (see Category:en:Arabic_letter_names for some examples) into Chinese but struggling with this one - maddah. Do you have a way of finding it? It's low priority but I'm curious. Arabic studies must not be very popular in China, there may not be many uses but Hui people should be using such words when learning Qur'an. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:05, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

privyet :). I am not versed with Arabic at all and don't know anyone who studies it. I will take a look around anyway! JamesjiaoTC 20:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been trying to fill or clean some requests in Category:Translation requests (Mandarin). I have searched for madda(h) in Mandarin but couldn't find any. Hint: this diacritic is always used with the alif (ا‎), like this آ(ʾā). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:07, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

"measure word", "counter" and "classifier" - headers[edit]


You might be interested in this topic: Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2013/November#Measure_word. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I added some stuff to Talk:veel

ciao, Jcwf (talk) 01:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi, you added a series of lines to my addition of the noun form of tergo in Latin. I saw them on the page I drew from, but apart from saying that they seem to be related to other languages, I can't tell what they mean. Could you explain their purpose? Thanks, cwbr77

I didn't. I moved your change above the languages links. The languages links should always be the last thing on a page. JamesjiaoTC 03:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah right. I couldn't see them when editing; I remember wondering why the page I was drawing on for the formatting had them and that one didn't. Are they automatically generated when Wiktionary finds that other language pages have the same word or am I partially blind? cwbr77 (talk) 09:29, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


New template - Template:cmn-new. Might be useful... :) Wyang (talk) 01:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Can it handle multiple definitions under the same PoS? JamesjiaoTC 01:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Wyang (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi James,

I have restored 看到 as I think we should keep it. It's included in some major dictionaries and the usage of the verb complement is not always understood. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. I would now keep these terms as well. This was a decision I made almost 3 years ago lol. JamesjiaoTC 22:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
No worries, mate. :) I thought I need to let you know anyway, perhaps verb complement entries should have their own category. There are two few grammatical categories in Mandarin. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Automatic Bopomofo on Mandarin entries[edit]


Please join Wiktionary:Grease_pit/2014/January#Converting_numbers_to_some_other_symbols_in_Lua, if you're interested. I have a small technical issue, which, I'm sure can be solved. CC: Tooironic. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


Why did you add zhuóbù as a variant pronunciation? I have never heard of it. I checked six dictionaries and none of them list this. And there is virtually nothing on Google. ---> Tooironic (talk) 10:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

It's actually a mispronunciation by some. I've removed it. JamesjiaoTC 11:23, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi James,

Could you fix/add some Mandarin translations at prime, please? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Two things I thought I'd mention: 1) Some of the Japanese translations for "to prepare a mechanism" don't seem to be correct; they are more accurate for the definition 6 "To apply priming to (firearm/artillary)", for which, for some reason, doesn't yet have a translations section. 2) I have no idea what fencing/backgammon terms are in Mandarin; not into either. JamesjiaoTC 01:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I didn't feel quite comfortable and dictionaries give too many translations with little sense descriptions. No worries about missing translations for some senses, as long as the existing ones are correct. I'll ask someone to check the Japanese translations. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Response from Zrksyd[edit]

Isn't the translation I added for the Bengali page true?
Zrksyd (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

You missed the point. We don't do translations for non-English entries as a rule. It's not about whether the translation is correct or not. JamesjiaoTC 01:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

契丹 - what's with the (China) part after every descendant?[edit]

Hi James,

Well, all those derivations mean "China" in all these languages. Please consider undoing (partially) or add "gloss=China"--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks. I really didn't understand what it meant :). A gloss would've been a much better idea. I will fix it now. JamesjiaoTC 04:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
I see you've fixed it. Thanks. A better approach would've been to ask you first I guess :). JamesjiaoTC 04:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
No worries. I don't own that article, you know, no need to ask me :). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:49, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


吴语俗话 must be a list of words to help Mandarin speakers read Wu? E.g. gives translations - 你,您 and transliterations - ㄋㄨㄥˊ, noŋ, nong. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

User page[edit]

Hello James,

Why are you deleting my user page?


A user page is used to display information about you that are relevant to your contributions/editing at Wiktionary. My user page is a prime example of what a good user page should look like (you can ignore the fancy boxed formatting). Your talk page should be used for discussions, like what we are doing here. JamesjiaoTC 02:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

My Appeal re: deletion of entry[edit]

Hello. You recently removed my addition to Wiktionary entitled 'Dabbing'. 'Dabbing' IS used as a verb, as in, they are dabbing, let's dab, etc.

You mentioned in your note to me that it belonged in Wikipedia. However, by Wikipedia's own rules, I am supposed to post it here.

Here's an excerpt : Articles are primarily about what something is, not any term(s). If the article is just about a word or phrase and especially if there are very different ways that a term is used, it usually belongs in Wiktionary. Instead, try to write a good short first paragraph that defines one subject as well as some more material to go with it.

Dabbing is already covered in Wikipedia's Hash Oil page.

So this is my appeal, please consider it, and consider either re-posting the site I submitted, or, giving me permission to re-post the material. I appreciate your time in reading this and would appreciate a quick reply. DJ Colonel Corn [[5]]

EDIT : I received your reply, and wish to say one thing before we go to tea room: I can place it under the Noun section is that is what needs to be done. Please let me know about this before we take it to the 'tea room', another thing I'll have to learn to use , etc.... thank you. DJ Colonel Corn [[6]]

Still waiting for your reply on this 1 simple question James, if we can post it under Noun heading , would that be OK ? DJ Colonel Corn [[7]]

(as per your advice, taking this conversation to my talk page. See you there, and thank you very much for your help.) DJ Colonel Corn [[8]] May 8 2009 07:33 PDT

OK James, I've got the final draft on my talk page now for your review, with your input greatly considered and applied. Please review it as you can, and let me know if it's OK to post it. Thanks for all the help. DJ Colonel Corn Sun May 11 17:49:20 2014 (PST)

Thanks for the information[edit]

I'll try to make sure that does not happen again.

Thank you. DLindsley (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

聘請, 聘请[edit]

Just letting you know your pinyin was incorrect here, unless you want to include pìngqǐng as a variant; the 现代汉语规范词典 warns 统读pìn,不读pìng, though I can't say I've heard 聘 as pìng before. Also, I tweaked your definition, as I think it was a little inaccurate. ---> Tooironic (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


Just letting you know I fixed your pinyin spelling here. (It's yinmu not yingmu.) ---> Tooironic (talk) 07:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks buddy. I do have issues with nasal/non-nasals sometime coming from Shanghai :). Glad to have you to double check. Will be more careful next time. JamesjiaoTC 21:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

My wiktionary entries, e.g., Impireacht na Breataine[edit]

Is this better, I looked at the link you showed me, copied and pasted the example they showed, and just replaced the parts of the example that should be changed with how it would be for the Irish word. PaulBustion88 (talk) 04:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC) Is there anything wrong with this entry, (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Is this entry better, talk 18:38, 23 April 2015


Do you have a source for the sense you gave of "the printing and dyeing industry"? ---> Tooironic (talk) 01:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure. I've removed it for now. JamesjiaoTC 21:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


FYI I fixed your pinyin error here. ---> Tooironic (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks dude. Sorry I haven't been here much lately. Wedding, impending marriage and all lol. JamesjiaoTC 20:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


Do you have a source for the "regional, Northern China" tag? AFAIK it's just standard Mandarin. ---> Tooironic (talk) 01:07, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

@Justinrleung, Tooironic The current page suggests that sense 1 is regional and sense 2 is MSC. I don't think that's likely, right? Dokurrat (talk) 03:36, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
AFAIK both senses are commonly used throughout mainland China. I may be wrong though. I defer to you native speakers. ---> Tooironic (talk) 03:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dokurrat, Tooironic: I think we should just remove the label. It's not labelled with anything in Xiandai Hanyu Cidian or Xiandai Hanyu Guifan Cidian. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 04:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
@Justinrleung: I removed the label. Dokurrat (talk) 04:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
OK. No worries. Thanks guys. ---> Tooironic (talk) 04:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

偏旁 definition[edit]

@Jamesjiao Can this conversation be moved to Talk:偏旁 for future reference? KevinUp (talk) 05:53, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@KevinUp This has been done. JamesjiaoTC 01:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Category:Japanese terms spelled with 伸 read as のば[edit]

Please delete this category. For the reason, see WT:RFDO. -- Thedarkknightli (talk) 18:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Eirikr: Thank you. -- Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this up and fixing guys. JamesjiaoTC 22:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)