Talk:Salvia

2017 Changes to Genus

@DCDuring: a paper was published in 2017 (See the PDF here) that merged Dorystaechas, Meriandra, Perovskia, Rosmarinus, and Zhumeria into Salvia. I'm not qualified to say whether they're right, but it certainly makes sense to me as someone who took a couple of botany courses in college, and both Wikispecies and Wikipedia accept it. Some of the taxonomic databases haven't been updated recently enough to have any inkling of this, but Tropicos has Accepted Names references to the paper (Tropicos tends to avoid labeling names as accepted or rejected on its own authority), and there are others that do accept the new names. I think we should at least have pages for the new names, and perhaps demote the old ones to synonyms. I leave it to you to decide what the best approach is for consistency with the rest of our taxonomic-name entries.

As far as I can tell, we only have terms for Perovskia and Rosmarinus species among the 5 new subgenera, but Rosmarinus is very important in the herb world- as someone who was comfortable rattling off botanical names for herbs in my early teens, half a century ago, I found the change a bit unsettling. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I tend to the conservative. For plants I like Tropicos and Plant of the World Online (Kew), which are themselves conservative. I'll look into this. DCDuring (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I looked at the APG website. Their list of genera in Lamiaceae shows all five joining 45 genera that had earlier been included in Salvia. DCDuring (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

AFAICT I have converted all ''[[Rosmarinus officinalis]]'' to {{taxlink|Salvia rosmarinus|species|ver=221210}}, syn. ''[[Rosmarinus officinalis]]'' and deleted some occurences of Rosmarinus. I also inserted subgenera into Salvia as hyponyms. DCDuring (talk) 01:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)