Talk:Tusayan

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Rfv-sense: "An archaic name for the area including today's Hopi villages on Arizona's Colorado Plateau". This was originally considered to be the Spanish name. Does this have anindepdendent existence in English, and is it distinct from the other two definitions? --EncycloPetey 20:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your attention to my work. I embarked on this definition of Tusayan because Tusayan AZ and the Tusayan ruin are named after the centuries-old region surrounding the Hopi villages. I've had a great education building the page. I began thinking it was Spanish, but found it was used by the Spanish, originating from unknown indigenous people of the Colorado Plateau. No web reference provides the facts on which one or ones. Coronado et al didn't seem too interested in linguistic and etymological fine points. The main documents mentioning the Tusayan Province or Region, are online. Tusayan is also mapped on the earliest southwest cartography.

In the late 19th century, authors referred to the area as Tusayan, per the citation, and the Hopi as the Moqui (Hopi word for "The Dead.") Nobody refers to the region as Tusayan, just as the Hopi are not called Moqui. That says archaic to me.

You have your hand in lots of Wiki items. That's interesting. My major online publishing efforts are building the Historic Marker database (HMdb.org) and Yelp*. Yelp* is the easiest-found webby place to write about micro businesses with no fixed address, phone, fax number, web presence and such. Like Native American roadside food stands. I document them. When I get enough I create a list in my Yelp* blog. Because my mind is a trivia fish-net, I'll use names like "Apacheria" (Spanish, and archaic, I think) or Tusayan (uncertain and archaic, I think). I foolishly imagine using those old words might spark a search to find out "What is he talking about?"

Wiktionary, the only definition source I use for another blog, and Wikipedia are great resources if someone decides to search for a word like "Tusayan." They might find out that if they make a fry bread quest via the back road loop to the Hopi and Navajo Reservations, they are traversing Old Tusayan, instead finding a romantically named tourist trap on the edge of Grand Canyon National Park (Hualapai, Havasupai and somewhat Hopi territory in the past), and one of Emil Haury's excavations nearby. With the additional Wikipedia links, the surfer gets depth and history about the first European contact in the American southwest. That's hot stuff to me. That can also be built into an HMdb link too. But there's no historic marker where the Hopi killed the Spaniards and all men at Awatovi, took away women and children, then razed it to the ground to remove the influences changing their lifeways. Darn.

I am willing to learn the Wiki Culture, Language, and Coding rules. I am ready to deepen my knowledge and skill in writing dictionary entries. I foolishly assumed Tusayan was of Spanish origin. In this instance, my second Wiki authoring outing, I am getting a feel for the environment, and learning what's under the hood. I'll get better. I was abysmal my first time out.

If I've over-reference and over-cited the archaic "Tusayan", I'll be happy to prune. Some dictionaries cite multiple sources. I used the word archaic because I didn't want to use, "Lost in the mists before writtten history" I'm not sure if "Unknown Origin" is acceptable. I'd have to crack my OED and read a lot of definitions. Tusayan has become part of English because of new placenames, but has a centuries-long history pre-dating Archaeology and Grand Canyon National Park.

These are my reasons. I deeply apprecite any coaching offered, like the clean definition and citations for Tusayan put up for me yesterday. That was uplifting.

Thanks again,

Chris English

• I believe this sense fails RFV... - -sche (discuss) 06:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)