Talk:balbal

Etymology

@Ysrael214 Could I ask for a source? And basically for all the Kapampangan etymologies in Tagalog you added. Thanks. Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:38, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Kapampangan is the only language in the Philippines where balbal means broken. Also stated at https://diksiyonaryo.ph/search/balbal. Balbal is not written in Vocabulario as well to be a native word; which seems it may be borrowed from Kapampangan. Furthermore, the "colloquial, vulgar, slang" sense probably came from that word.

For the "probably related to bali-bali," this is only based on inference that they both mean broken and looks similar. That's why I put "probably." Maybe not directly related like a sound shift, but maybe some root "bal". Most Visayan languages have bali as well for "broken"

Other candidate that I think that seems related to "broken" is: bagbag but bali is more probable.

Other Kapampangan etymologies: I use Kapampangan Grammar Notes . Not exactly giving etymologies explicitly but you'll see patterns.

In Modern Kapampangan, "e" and "o" of the root word corresponds to Tagalog "ay" and "ow." (except Spanish loanwords)

There are a lot of counterparts such as:

• Kap abe = Tag abay
• Kap bante = Tag bantay
• Kap ane = Tag anay
• Kap ate = Tag atay
• Kap bale = Tag balay
• Kap bebe = Tag baybay
• Kap tete = Tag taytay
• Kap dalo = Tag dalaw
• Kap dilo = Tag dilaw
• Kap gaslo = Tag gaslaw
• Kap lolo = Tag lawlaw
• Kap singo = Tag singaw

And many more that I didn't include. They revert back to "ay" and "ow" when added a suffix. In Vocabulario de la lengua pampango en romance, "ay" and "ow" have been remained intact as "AI" and "AO." I listed balayan (bayan) and dalo as related because of this pattern, and the meaning is exactly the same. In fact, for balayan and balen, some areas in Pampanga still use balayan instead of balen. Ysrael214 (talk) 14:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Thanks for this reply! Yup, I'm aware of this phonological correspondence between Kapampangan and Tagalog. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)