Talk:deaf and dumb

The following information passed a request for deletion.

This discussion is no longer live and is left here as an archive. Please do not modify this conversation, but feel free to discuss its conclusions.

---

Either needs some sort of figurative use, or just throwing in the dustbin. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It is idiomatic, as those people are virtually always physically capable of speaking, they just don't know how. Dumbness is when one is physically incapable of speaking. Boobie 12:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You're saying that one who is deaf and physically incapable of speaking is not called deaf and dumb? —Michael Z. 2009-08-13 13:59 z

This collocation may be worth keeping in order to note that it was once widely used but is now considered offensive because of the pejorative sense of (deprecated template usage) dumb. —Rod (A. Smith) 15:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Several current dictionaries have it, some to suggest that it is not current or is offensive. Also Cockney rhyming slang for (deprecated template usage) bum, according to Partridge's. Keep. DCDuring TALK 17:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Restored to allow for a debate. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Kept, needs some cleanup. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)